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air france jet drops off radar
Topic Started: Jun 1 2009, 04:37 AM (1,387 Views)
bachophile
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between rio and paris.

awful. i have a vague morbid fascination with plane crashes.

i guess its because i fly a lot, and when a mess happens, i figure ok, thats the statistical blip for this year....and now im safe.

silly i guess.

also, i know ive been watching too much lost. but right now, a whole friggin airliner is missing.
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bachophile
Jun 1 2009, 04:37 AM
i guess its because i fly a lot, and when a mess happens, i figure ok, thats the statistical blip for this year....and now im safe.
Reminds me of this old statistics joke:

A statistic professor plans to travel to a conference by plane. When he passes the security check, they discover a bomb in his carry-on-baggage. Of course, he is hauled off immediately for interrogation.
"I don't understand it!" the interrogating officer exclaims. "You're an accomplished professional, a caring family man, a pillar of your parish - and now you want to destroy that all by blowing up an airplane!"
"Sorry", the professor interrupts him. "I had never intended to blow up the plane."
"So, for what reason else did you try to bring a bomb on board?!"
"Let me explain. Statistics shows that the probability of a bomb being on an airplane is 1/1000. That's quite high if you think about it - so high that I wouldn't have any peace of mind on a flight."
"And what does this have to do with you bringing a bomb on board of a plane?"
"You see, since the probability of one bomb being on my plane is 1/1000, the chance that there are two bombs is 1/1000000. If I already bring one, the chance of another bomb being around is actually 1/1000000, and I am much safer..."

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I have always wondered how many people don't actually 'get' that joke. You know, independent events and all that. The irony of a 'statistics' professor is the real humor.
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Air France plane lost: officials say 'no hope' of finding airliner

More than 200 people are believed dead after an Air France passenger jet disappeared over the Atlantic on a flight from Brazil.

Officials said they had "no hope" for Air France Flight 447 which dropped off the radar three hours and less than 200 miles into a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

As the Brazilian air force mounted a search and rescue operation for the Airbus 330-200k in the waters around the archipelago of Fernando de Noronha, families of passengers gathered at a crisis centre in Paris's Charles de Gaulle airport awaiting news.

The Foreign Office said it was "urgently" seeking news on whether there were any Britons on board.

Air France said that the aircraft had sent a message reporting an electrical "short circuit" after strong turbulence.

The company said the plane had probably been struck by lightning.

An Airbus source described the failure as "catastrophic" suggesting a sudden and unexplained systems failure.
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Even with the redundancy features built in. Must have been one hell of a strike.

Let us hope those aboard did not suffer.
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Jun 1 2009, 05:07 AM

dropped off the radar three hours and less than 200 miles into a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

Slow plane.
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Good joke on the stats professor. In my experience, however, stats professors aren't big on humor.

Tragic event. Hard to imagine.
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How horrifying, and humbling. To think things like this can still happen, even with all we know and all we can do.

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sue
Jun 1 2009, 07:00 AM
How horrifying, and humbling. To think things like this can still happen, even with all we know and all we can do.

+1

A hard reminder that we are not always in control of our futures.
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Jun 1 2009, 04:37 AM
i have a vague morbid fascination with plane crashes.
Then you might find the information here feeds your fascination: National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) aviation links page. The major investigations are very detailed. Reading the excerpts from the cockpit voice recorders is sometimes like listening to dead men talking from the grave.

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Can't imagine it was lightning. According to Yahoo:

The plane "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence" at 0200 GMT Monday (10 p.m. EDT Sunday) and an automatic message was received fourteen minutes later reporting electrical failure and a loss of cabin pressure.

The loss of cabin pressure is the question. Did something structural fail on the aircraft?
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So sad. What a tragedy.
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Tom Symonds, BBC News transport correspondent

The Airbus A330 airliner is likely to have begun its journey tracking the coast of Brazil northwards before striking out across the Atlantic. A few hundred miles from the shore, radar coverage peters out - from there on, crews use high frequency radio to report their position.
The Brazilian Air Force says the plane left radar screens near the islands of Fernando de Noronha, 230 miles from the coast. The firmest clue to its fate comes from the data message sent via a satellite network at 0214 GMT reporting electrical and pressurisation problems. This suggests whatever happened, happened before the crew could put out a mayday radio call. It was likely a sudden and catastrophic emergency. Even a double engine failure at cruising altitude would normally give the crew around half an hour's gliding time.

Air France says the plane may have been struck by lightning - the cause of around a dozen major air crashes in the last 50 years - but it rarely results in tragedy. More likely lightning damaged electrical systems, possibly leading indirectly to the plane's ditching.


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Mark
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Tragic.

Like Mik, I hope the passengers did not suffer.

How long does one stay conscience/alive at cruising altitude with a sudden loss of cabin pressure?
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Time of Useful Consciousness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Useful_Consciousness

Assume 30-40 thousand feet - 15 seconds to 3 minutes without O2

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Jun 1 2009, 05:37 AM
George K
Jun 1 2009, 05:07 AM

dropped off the radar three hours and less than 200 miles into a flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

Slow plane.
That's what I was thinking. If it took it 3 hours to go 200 miles, it may not have been struck by lightning, it may have simply coasted to a stop..
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Jun 1 2009, 09:07 AM
Time of Useful Consciousness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Useful_Consciousness

Assume 30-40 thousand feet - 15 seconds to 3 minutes without O2

Wow.

Well, you got 15 seconds or more to put yourself right with whatever you believe or not.
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Jun 1 2009, 09:27 AM
Wow.

Well, you got 15 seconds or more to put yourself right with whatever you believe or not.

The numbers are a little fuzzy and can vary considerably depending on many factors.

Health and general condition are important, and of course there will probably be some O2 hanging around even in an explosive decompression.

Still, it gets very unpleasant very quickly.

Look at the table and consider that people have climbed Mt. Everest (about 29,000 feet) without O2 - according to the chart at that altitude you only have a few minutes of "Useful Consciousness".
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Well the Everest climbers are going to be acclimated and in better shape than most people in a jet cruising at 30,000 feet.

It would be in that exact scenario that I would want my faith to be at its strongest.

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I keep thinking about the friends and families waiting for the arrival of the flight. It's one thing to hear 'flight X is delayed', but to hear that the flight your loved one is expected on is 'missing'.....I can't imagine how devastating that must be to hear.

My heart goes out to them all.
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I'm surprised that officials are saying they likely won't ever find the plane.

I know the ocean is vast and unfathomably deep, but I would expect technology (radar, sonar, GPS, whatever) to be able to find the plane.
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it really doesn't surprise me. An airplane is not very seaworthy and will disappear below the surface very quickly leaving no trace. That is what is so bogus about the so-called Burmuda Triangle. It should not be surprising that aircraft lost over the ocean vanish without a trace. It is a fact that more aircraft have been lost without a trace over the continental United States than over the entire Burmuda Triangle.
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I see your point and agree that an airplane is easily eaten up by the ocean.

Still, a needle in a haystack should be easy to find if one has the right technology -- a metal detector.

I would think planes would be embedded with some technolgy that would allow them to be found.

I hear on NPR that debris has been found. Floating plane seats. Sad.

I guess it's harder to find debris than an in-tact plane.
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Metal detectors have a hard time working through 20,000 feet of water, I'd guess. Otherwise, every plane or ship that had ever gone down would have been found by now.
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Oh my.
200+ people on that flight!
Many more are worried, grieving now.
How very tragic.
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