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South Bend is the Selma for this era
Topic Started: May 11 2009, 02:13 PM (923 Views)
ivorythumper
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Renauda
May 12 2009, 01:20 PM
ivorythumper
May 12 2009, 12:18 PM
Renauda
May 12 2009, 12:12 PM
So you now want to be referred to as Socrates?

Make up your mind.
non sequitur.
Makes perfect sequitur. Think about it.
draw me a map.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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QuirtEvans
May 12 2009, 01:21 PM
Of course you are free to treat some human beings as less worthy of the protection of the law than others. I never expected you to be intellectually consistent, so this surprises me not at all.
Where did I say to treat one human beings as less worthy of the protection of the law than others?

I didn't and you just had to make that up (once again, you have to make things up to suit your position and to defend your turf). It is not about protection under the law, but how crimes against the person are prosecuted and who is considered responsible and to what degree and to what penalty.

But none of that would matter to you since you are of the opinion that unless the pro life position demands that women are prosecuted for procuring abortions then the pro life stance is inconsistent.

You also fail to account for the other inconsistencies in your point of view -- that now you seem to be saying that the baby is only a human being at birth, whereas previously you said that you think it becomes a human being at some point in the womb; and you have not accounted for why a woman should have any emotional damage from an abortion when from your newly adopted point of view they are only having some sort of lumpectomy of unwanted matter.

Based on that, I am not sure you even understand the implications of the phrase "intellectually consistent", or else it is something that you are still trying to grapple with the application even if you do sort of understand the concept.
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Renauda
May 12 2009, 01:33 PM
We've been down this road before and not all that long ago. But it seems to me that what Ivorythumper is implying or circumlocuting is that owing to the mental and physiological stress of an unwanted pregnancy women are probably not capable of good judgement and are easy victims for pro-choice activists and storefront abortion doctors.
There are many women who are coerced or intimidated or pressured to have abortions by parents and boyfriends. That is beyond dispute. The widespread acceptance of abortion and the general societal attitude to treat the fetus as something other than human also mitigates culpability.

There is also a massive amount of misinformation and actual information withheld by abortion agencies. There is a local initiative to provide mobile ultrasound scanning trucks as part of the abortion protest movement, so that pregnant women have the opportunity to see the actual living baby in their womb as part of the decision to abort or save the baby.

The fact that so many otherwise educated people in society have taken the stance that the fetus is not a human being (although they conspicuous avoid saying anything about what it really is -- which would make for a much more apt use of your term "cirucumlocution") can only contribute to weakening a pregnant woman's resolve to keep her baby if the pregnancy is inconvenient or unplanned.
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ivorythumper
May 12 2009, 02:06 PM
Renauda
May 12 2009, 01:20 PM
ivorythumper
May 12 2009, 12:18 PM
Renauda
May 12 2009, 12:12 PM
So you now want to be referred to as Socrates?

Make up your mind.
non sequitur.
Makes perfect sequitur. Think about it.
draw me a map.
No way Socrates. I guess you have no cause to complain if *Rennie* insists on pejoratively calling you Socrates or even Hemlock Honker as a maudlin endearment.
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ivorythumper
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QuirtEvans
May 12 2009, 01:56 PM
That's a reasonable theory, but it proves way too much. If you assume that anyone under severe stress is not capable of good judgment, then any family member of a terminal patient who puts that patient out of his or her misery shouldn't be prosecuted either, and I'm fairly certain that IT would not suggest a blanket immunity from prosecution for such people. I could probably come up with several more like circumstances.

It's also fairly insulting to 50% of the planet to assume that mental and physiological stress could cause them to commit excusable murder.
What 50% of the planet are you talking about? If women, then there are billions of women who would never consider elective abortion under any circumstances. Do you think that all women are susceptible to pressure to act against their good conscience? That seems rather chauvinistic of you.

And of course, you can only arrive at that position by implying that abortion is indeed killing an innocent person, even if "excusable".

But once again, you assiduously avoid the real terms of the discussion, that it is about how society ought enact laws to promote the common good, and how crimes against the person are prosecuted and who is considered responsible and to what degree and to what penalty. That is all a matter of jurisprudence, not logic chopping.
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Renauda
May 12 2009, 02:48 PM
ivorythumper
May 12 2009, 02:06 PM
Renauda
May 12 2009, 01:20 PM
ivorythumper
May 12 2009, 12:18 PM
Renauda
May 12 2009, 12:12 PM
So you now want to be referred to as Socrates?

Make up your mind.
non sequitur.
Makes perfect sequitur. Think about it.
draw me a map.
No way Socrates. I guess you have no cause to complain if *Rennie* insists on pejoratively calling you Socrates or even Hemlock Honker as a maudlin endearment.
Oh, now I get it. I didn't realize that you were calling me Socrates as a churlish lashing out against my dubbing you Rennie. Weren't you the one who was talking about temper tantrums yesterday?
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BTW, Mr Renauda, I will stop calling you any nicknames other than that which you gave yourself. People here have called me Thumps, Thumpy, Thumper, Thumperino, IT, Ivory, etc -- none of which has caused me any consternation. I respect the fact that you take it personally, and I will stop.
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You still don't get it. It's how you deploy the endearing pejorative, not the endearment itself. But that's okay, I'm just being my usual churlish self.
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Renauda
May 12 2009, 01:33 PM
We've been down this road before and not all that long ago. But it seems to me that what Ivorythumper is implying or circumlocuting is that owing to the mental and physiological stress of an unwanted pregnancy women are probably not capable of good judgement and are easy victims for pro-choice activists and storefront abortion doctors.
To be fair, I suppose they'd equally be easy victims of pro-life advocates.
Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006.
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I was thinking... (I know... I have a real thinking problem) But hey, the Christians' messiah has already been born and lived his life. There is every chance that the Antichrist hasn't been born yet, and thus, stands a chance of being aborted. I would think more Christians would logically become pro-choice proponents. Or hey, what if the Antichrist ended up being choked out in a condom and then flushed down the commode? Wouldn't that be a GOOD thing? :unsure: :whistle:
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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now if we can only just figure out a profit motive for getting women to not abort...
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What an interesting perspective you have on Christianity, Frank. :D
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May 12 2009, 03:13 PM
You still don't get it. It's how you deploy the endearing pejorative, not the endearment itself. But that's okay, I'm just being my usual churlish self.
There is just no pleasing some people.
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To be fair, I suppose they'd equally be easy victims of pro-life advocates.

How can anyone be the victim of the forces of life?

It's not like the pro-life crowd are sequestering the girls in a mandatory birthing hospice for pregnant girls, women errant, unlucky or ravaged so that they can safely give birth and transfer the child for eventual adoption into a state run orphanage utility.

Hmmm, might be a good idea. A win/win all the way around
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May 11 2009, 04:06 PM
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The church needs this distraction. Personally, I think the pro-life movement is a smokescreen to make the church appear to value life in spite of a culture of child exploitation over the past century or four.


I hope you're not serious with this statement.
If forcing generation after generation of small boys to dress up in silly clothes and sing in high voices every Sunday morning isn't a vicious and cruel exploitation of the nation's unformed youth, then I'm afraid I don't know what is.

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Frank_W
May 12 2009, 03:36 PM
I was thinking... (I know... I have a real thinking problem) But hey, the Christians' messiah has already been born and lived his life. There is every chance that the Antichrist hasn't been born yet, and thus, stands a chance of being aborted. I would think more Christians would logically become pro-choice proponents. Or hey, what if the Antichrist ended up being choked out in a condom and then flushed down the commode? Wouldn't that be a GOOD thing? :unsure: :whistle:
Not if he burst forth and arose again from the unholy condom, and marched across the land like a giant tadpole, flinging white sticky fluid at all who dared to oppose his will. That would be even worse than WW2 and WW1 combined.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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:lol2: OMG.... "I've been SLIMED!!" (Or perhaps the Antichrist has been... ah... swallowed?) *snicker*

IT: What? It makes perfectly logical sense. :shrug:
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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:lol2: OMG.... "I've been SLIMED!!" (Or perhaps the Antichrist has been... ah... swallowed?) *snicker*

IT: What? It makes perfectly logical sense. :shrug:
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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John D'Oh
May 12 2009, 03:54 PM
If forcing generation after generation of small boys to dress up in silly clothes and sing in high voices every Sunday morning isn't a vicious and cruel exploitation of the nation's unformed youth, then I'm afraid I don't know what is.
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I agree.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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I'm afraid I can top that.

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John D'Oh
May 12 2009, 04:17 PM
I'm afraid I can top that.

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But the British school boys are more nasty and dangerous than the Swiss Guards.
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"The body of Jenna Jameson compels you!"

The money shot... "OMG!! You killed Kenny! the Antichrist! You basta.... er... O yeah: HEY!! WAY TO GO!!!"
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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Frank_W
May 12 2009, 03:36 PM
I was thinking... (I know... I have a real thinking problem) But hey, the Christians' messiah has already been born and lived his life. There is every chance that the Antichrist hasn't been born yet, and thus, stands a chance of being aborted. I would think more Christians would logically become pro-choice proponents. Or hey, what if the Antichrist ended up being choked out in a condom and then flushed down the commode? Wouldn't that be a GOOD thing? :unsure: :whistle:
:spit:
*sputter*

*gasp*

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ivorythumper
May 12 2009, 03:41 PM
Renauda
May 12 2009, 03:13 PM
You still don't get it. It's how you deploy the endearing pejorative, not the endearment itself. But that's okay, I'm just being my usual churlish self.
There is just no pleasing some people.
Sure there is, stop trying to butter me up.
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