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OMG Sarah, Let Him Be a Father!
Topic Started: Apr 23 2009, 05:54 AM (1,486 Views)
ivorythumper
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Not all very clever, but intelligent enough.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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John D'Oh
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ivorythumper
Apr 23 2009, 02:35 PM
Not all very clever, but intelligent enough.
It's important to be intelligent enough. If they weren't intelligent enough they'd do all kinds of stupid sh!t. Then again, if they weren't intelligent enough they'd hardly be social conservatives.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Mikhailoh
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IT, you summed it up well. My first inclination was to smack NS upside the head for yet another drive-by turd-dropping, but I thought it would be nicer to simply ask him to back up his blanket assertion.

But my first instincts were right. It is just another turd he got from his Daily Kos or wherever, with no knowlegde of what's behind it all. Just parroting the party line.
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Renauda
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IT
 
You're sounding like an ideologue, NS.


*Ideologue* seems to be Ol' Socrates' epithet of the day. I think this the third time in the past 24 hrs he's hurled it at one of his opponents.
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Jove's got his lightning bolts, David had his rocks, NS has his turds.

I'm pretty sure you swing a mean mandolin. We're armed to the teeth at TNCR. :lol:
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Jolly
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Geaux Tigers!
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 12:19 PM
George K
Apr 23 2009, 12:16 PM
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 11:15 AM
Her daughter is still a minor, is she not?
In Illinois, once a girl woman has given birth, she is considered "emancipated," and as far as many things go (such as giving consent for surgery) her parent's consent is not required. I don't know if that situation applies here, but I would guess that the grandmother has little legal standing here.
I have no idea whether that's true in Alaska.

But, as I said, there's the law, and then there's the practicalities. She's living under Mummy's roof, and has no income of her own. Mummy has a pretty iron will. Mummy is probably calling the shots.
In QuirtWorld, as has been stated ad infinitum there is no gray within the law. Something is, or it is not.

The mother has reached majority status. Grandmother has no legal standing in this case.

And until Dad ponies up some child support (at least $400/month down here), he has no visitation rights.

I find it quite telling Young Dad is making the rounds of the yak-it-ups - King, Banks, etc. - for something a simple court hearing could clear up easily.
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Apr 23 2009, 03:33 PM
IT
 
You're sounding like an ideologue, NS.


*Ideologue* seems to be Ol' Socrates' epithet of the day. I think this the third time in the past 24 hrs he's hurled it at one of his opponents.
You are getting pretty stale with that Socrates line yourself, Rennie.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Renauda
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HOLY CARP!!!
Apparently not, Soc.
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ivorythumper
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Apparently so, Rennie. All you offer is repeated personal attacks against me.
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ivorythumper
Apr 23 2009, 04:55 PM
All you offer is repeated personal attacks against me.
I offerz you wun of mah rawhidez... (I only chewed it a little bit...)

*wag wag wag wag wag*
O hai. I can haz big dinnerz?

If you can't eat it or screw it, piss on it and walk away. (and leave big p00pz!)

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ivorythumper
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You're a good doggie. Rennie could learn about good behavior from you.
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ivorythumper
Apr 23 2009, 04:55 PM
Apparently so, Rennie. All you offer is repeated personal attacks against me.
Hey Hemlock Hoser! Take off, eh?
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Jolly
Apr 23 2009, 04:42 PM
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 12:19 PM
George K
Apr 23 2009, 12:16 PM
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 11:15 AM
Her daughter is still a minor, is she not?
In Illinois, once a girl woman has given birth, she is considered "emancipated," and as far as many things go (such as giving consent for surgery) her parent's consent is not required. I don't know if that situation applies here, but I would guess that the grandmother has little legal standing here.
I have no idea whether that's true in Alaska.

But, as I said, there's the law, and then there's the practicalities. She's living under Mummy's roof, and has no income of her own. Mummy has a pretty iron will. Mummy is probably calling the shots.
In QuirtWorld, as has been stated ad infinitum there is no gray within the law. Something is, or it is not.

The mother has reached majority status. Grandmother has no legal standing in this case.

And until Dad ponies up some child support (at least $400/month down here), he has no visitation rights.

I find it quite telling Young Dad is making the rounds of the yak-it-ups - King, Banks, etc. - for something a simple court hearing could clear up easily.
That is not the law in many states. You live in a world in which the mother provides the nurturing, and the father provides the money, but that's not the way the law works, in many places.

The father should not have ... and, in those cases, the father does not have ... greater responsibility for child support than the mother, if there is equally shared physical custody (50/50 in terms of time).

If they have 50/50 joint physical custody, then they have equal and joint responsibility for child support.

The only reason, in a joint physical custody situation in those states, that one parent would have to pay child support to the other is if (1) one parent is responsible for all (or a larger portion of) the bills, or (2) one parent earns more than the other.

Now, the law aside ... Bristol lives in her parents' house. She has no visible means of support on her own. I'm quite confident that your children understand that principle of "while you live under my roof, you live by my rules". You don't strike me as the tolerant type. It's the power of the purse.

So, you're wrong both as a matter of law, and as a matter of practicality.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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ivorythumper
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I honestly don't understand how you can speak so definitively about the relationship Bristol has with her parents, or what the rules of the Palin house are, or what is truly best for a very young baby given the people involved.

And I can't honestly imagine that if you have a dead beat who knocked up your daughter and was grandstanding on Larry King, being prodded by his meddling sister, that you would be quite so sangfroid about the whole thing.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Jolly
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QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 05:07 PM
Jolly
Apr 23 2009, 04:42 PM
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 12:19 PM
George K
Apr 23 2009, 12:16 PM
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 11:15 AM
Her daughter is still a minor, is she not?
In Illinois, once a girl woman has given birth, she is considered "emancipated," and as far as many things go (such as giving consent for surgery) her parent's consent is not required. I don't know if that situation applies here, but I would guess that the grandmother has little legal standing here.
I have no idea whether that's true in Alaska.

But, as I said, there's the law, and then there's the practicalities. She's living under Mummy's roof, and has no income of her own. Mummy has a pretty iron will. Mummy is probably calling the shots.
In QuirtWorld, as has been stated ad infinitum there is no gray within the law. Something is, or it is not.

The mother has reached majority status. Grandmother has no legal standing in this case.

And until Dad ponies up some child support (at least $400/month down here), he has no visitation rights.

I find it quite telling Young Dad is making the rounds of the yak-it-ups - King, Banks, etc. - for something a simple court hearing could clear up easily.
That is not the law in many states. You live in a world in which the mother provides the nurturing, and the father provides the money, but that's not the way the law works, in many places.

The father should not have ... and, in those cases, the father does not have ... greater responsibility for child support than the mother, if there is equally shared physical custody (50/50 in terms of time).

If they have 50/50 joint physical custody, then they have equal and joint responsibility for child support.

The only reason, in a joint physical custody situation in those states, that one parent would have to pay child support to the other is if (1) one parent is responsible for all (or a larger portion of) the bills, or (2) one parent earns more than the other.

Now, the law aside ... Bristol lives in her parents' house. She has no visible means of support on her own. I'm quite confident that your children understand that principle of "while you live under my roof, you live by my rules". You don't strike me as the tolerant type. It's the power of the purse.

So, you're wrong both as a matter of law, and as a matter of practicality.
Even in cases of equal income, I can think of no case I know of down here where a father is not paying child support. The $400 figure I threw out is pretty much rule of thumb in the local courts, joint custody, or no.

The only cases where I've not seen child support paid by the father is in those instances where the mother earns considerably more than the father, and a form of joint custody is in place.
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Mikhailoh
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IT makes a good point - none of us can argue definitively because we simply DON'T KNOW WHAT THE F*** IS GOING ON.

Jeez louise.
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Renauda
Apr 23 2009, 05:06 PM
Hey Hemlock Hoser! Take off, eh?
:spit: :lol2: Okay, that was funny... :lol2:
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Jolly
Apr 23 2009, 05:20 PM
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 05:07 PM
Jolly
Apr 23 2009, 04:42 PM
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 12:19 PM
George K
Apr 23 2009, 12:16 PM
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 11:15 AM
Her daughter is still a minor, is she not?
In Illinois, once a girl woman has given birth, she is considered "emancipated," and as far as many things go (such as giving consent for surgery) her parent's consent is not required. I don't know if that situation applies here, but I would guess that the grandmother has little legal standing here.
I have no idea whether that's true in Alaska.

But, as I said, there's the law, and then there's the practicalities. She's living under Mummy's roof, and has no income of her own. Mummy has a pretty iron will. Mummy is probably calling the shots.
In QuirtWorld, as has been stated ad infinitum there is no gray within the law. Something is, or it is not.

The mother has reached majority status. Grandmother has no legal standing in this case.

And until Dad ponies up some child support (at least $400/month down here), he has no visitation rights.

I find it quite telling Young Dad is making the rounds of the yak-it-ups - King, Banks, etc. - for something a simple court hearing could clear up easily.
That is not the law in many states. You live in a world in which the mother provides the nurturing, and the father provides the money, but that's not the way the law works, in many places.

The father should not have ... and, in those cases, the father does not have ... greater responsibility for child support than the mother, if there is equally shared physical custody (50/50 in terms of time).

If they have 50/50 joint physical custody, then they have equal and joint responsibility for child support.

The only reason, in a joint physical custody situation in those states, that one parent would have to pay child support to the other is if (1) one parent is responsible for all (or a larger portion of) the bills, or (2) one parent earns more than the other.

Now, the law aside ... Bristol lives in her parents' house. She has no visible means of support on her own. I'm quite confident that your children understand that principle of "while you live under my roof, you live by my rules". You don't strike me as the tolerant type. It's the power of the purse.

So, you're wrong both as a matter of law, and as a matter of practicality.
Even in cases of equal income, I can think of no case I know of down here where a father is not paying child support. The $400 figure I threw out is pretty much rule of thumb in the local courts, joint custody, or no.

The only cases where I've not seen child support paid by the father is in those instances where the mother earns considerably more than the father, and a form of joint custody is in place.
As I said ... that's not the law in many states.

In many states, equal means exactly that ... equal. If you have 50/50 custody, and split all the bills 50/50, then you have a 50/50 obligation for child support ... assuming equal or roughly equal incomes.

Louisiana must operate under a somewhat more antiquated model. They're hardly alone, but it's not the way the law is headed.
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Mikhailoh
Apr 23 2009, 06:12 PM
IT makes a good point - none of us can argue definitively because we simply DON'T KNOW WHAT THE F*** IS GOING ON.

Jeez louise.
This has been a repeated complaint of yours lately.

Do you really want someone else to start honing in on all of your posts and throwing that back in your face?

We know enough. We know that he's not being allowed to take the kid out of the Palin household. We know that he wants to. We know that he isn't alone, his family supports him, and it's highly unlikely that the kid would be neglected.

And we know that kids are better off when there are two involved parents.

These are things we know.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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So much furor over dicks and pussies. *sigh* <_<
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And the other things we know, which you conveniently fail to mention, is that the baby is 4 months old and the father is a deadbeat.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Okay: So much furor over dicks and pussies and the baby is four months old and the father is a deadbeat. kthnxbai.
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:lol2:
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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ivorythumper
Apr 23 2009, 06:28 PM
And the other things we know, which you conveniently fail to mention, is that the baby is 4 months old and the father is a deadbeat.
Bristol doesn't work, and lives at home.

Levi doesn't work, and lives at home.

What makes one a deadbeat but not the other?

Sexist much?
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Frank_W
Apr 23 2009, 06:31 PM
Okay: So much furor over dicks and pussies and the baby is four months old and the father is a deadbeat. kthnxbai.
Bristol doesn't work, and lives at home.

Levi doesn't work, and lives at home.

What makes one a deadbeat but not the other?

Sexist much?
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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