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OMG Sarah, Let Him Be a Father!
Topic Started: Apr 23 2009, 05:54 AM (1,487 Views)
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If my daughter were, God forbid, in the same situation, I'd want to do everything I could to encourage the father to be involved in my grandchild's life, just as much as the mother. I'd recognize that it isn't good for a child to grow up without two fully-involved parents. I'd want to give the father every chance to step up to his responsibilities. Sometimes people grow up to meet the responsibilities you give them. I'd watch carefully, of course, but I'd want to give him a chance.

Depending on the facts, I might not want to give him joint legal custody, but I'd certainly want to give him a chance to have joint de facto custody, to see if he could handle it. Besides, the difference between joint custody, and what the Palins are allowing, is an ocean wide. I mean, never being allowed to leave the house with the child? NEVER? There's not a court in the country that would enforce that sort of arrangement unless the father were deemed a danger to the child.

And, it hardly needs to be pointed out, the boy would never, ever have been living under my roof. He wouldn't have had his toothbrush in my bathroom, and his belongings and his clothing in my closet.
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Apr 23 2009, 12:01 PM
Why? Because she has become a sacred cow to you and others. And sacred cows usually have a big bullseye painted on them with the words "Gore Me"

Are you gay? I mean, Palin is a hottie!!! Hardly any sort of cow, sacred or otherwise! :lol2:

But if you want to argue that Quirt is only doing so out of malice and without any concern for justice, fairness, truth or accuracy, he'll have to respond to that himself.
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Apr 23 2009, 12:09 PM
Nobody's Sock
Apr 23 2009, 12:01 PM
Why? Because she has become a sacred cow to you and others. And sacred cows usually have a big bullseye painted on them with the words "Gore Me"

Are you gay? I mean, Palin is a hottie!!! Hardly any sort of cow, sacred or otherwise! :lol2:

But if you want to argue that Quirt is only doing so out of malice and without any concern for justice, fairness, truth or accuracy, he'll have to respond to that himself.
Since I don't think that's what NS is arguing, I don't see a need to respond.
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Apr 23 2009, 11:15 AM
Her daughter is still a minor, is she not?
In Illinois, once a girl woman has given birth, she is considered "emancipated," and as far as many things go (such as giving consent for surgery) her parent's consent is not required. I don't know if that situation applies here, but I would guess that the grandmother has little legal standing here.
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I am not sure what he is arguing -- he seems to be saying that you posted Sarah Palin's name in the thread title for provocation and not in the interest of anything else.

I'll have to wait for his clarification of what he meant. :popcorn:
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Apr 23 2009, 12:16 PM
QuirtEvans
Apr 23 2009, 11:15 AM
Her daughter is still a minor, is she not?
In Illinois, once a girl woman has given birth, she is considered "emancipated," and as far as many things go (such as giving consent for surgery) her parent's consent is not required. I don't know if that situation applies here, but I would guess that the grandmother has little legal standing here.
I have no idea whether that's true in Alaska.

But, as I said, there's the law, and then there's the practicalities. She's living under Mummy's roof, and has no income of her own. Mummy has a pretty iron will. Mummy is probably calling the shots.
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HEADLINES: SARAH PALIN ENSLAVES DAUGHTER!!!!
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What makes you think Sarah Palin is a sacred cow to anyone on this board?
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But, as I said, there's the law, and then there's the practicalities


You wouldn't want to repeat that in the "Torture Thread" would you? :lol2:
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Apr 23 2009, 12:32 PM
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But, as I said, there's the law, and then there's the practicalities


You wouldn't want to repeat that in the "Torture Thread" would you? :lol2:
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ivorythumper
Apr 23 2009, 12:23 PM
HEADLINES: SARAH PALIN ENSLAVES DAUGHTER!!!!
Hey, maybe you could get Nancy Grace to do a segment on that; it'd be awesome. Lots of shrieking and yelling.

Seriously, it seems pretty clear that Sarah calls the shots. Whose idea do you think it was to have the boyfriend along for the all the campaign photo ops? I'm guessing it wasn't his idea. And now things haven't worked out all peachy keen, and I'm (again) guessing that ol' Sarah is pretty ticked. Just doesn't look good does it? And I can certainly imagine an "if you're living under my roof...." set of rules.

Sure, I could be wrong. But I doubt it. :tongue:
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Apr 23 2009, 12:28 PM
What makes you think Sarah Palin is a sacred cow to anyone on this board?
Omigodski! you're kidding right?

Any and everytime a thread here that is derogatory to Palin pops up, your side will defend her to the death, no matter what the subject be.

Call me a leftist braindead liberal all you want, (I'm not, far from it), but your side really scares me sometimes, with your blindered allegiances.

I still to this day cannot get over the fact that many of you would support her for VP and maybe P. Infukincredible!!!

Partisan politics is a mental disease.
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Apr 23 2009, 01:00 PM
Call me a leftist braindead liberal all you want
You betcha!
It's gonna be yuge! You betcha!
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Apr 23 2009, 01:06 PM
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Apr 23 2009, 01:00 PM
Call me a leftist braindead liberal all you want
You betcha!
With you Sarah, I'd be very liberal, a liberal labial licker.

Don't y'all in Alaska know anything about oral sex? Could have prevented this whole big mess!
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Stop being so conservative NS.
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Apr 23 2009, 01:00 PM
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Apr 23 2009, 12:28 PM
What makes you think Sarah Palin is a sacred cow to anyone on this board?
Omigodski! you're kidding right?

Any and everytime a thread here that is derogatory to Palin pops up, your side will defend her to the death, no matter what the subject be.
It would be helpful if you could point out some threads that showed substantive criticism of Palin and her policies, rather than the typical character assassination, innuendo, and snarky judgments that are typical of threads about Palin.
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Call me a leftist braindead liberal all you want, (I'm not, far from it), but your side really scares me sometimes, with your blindered allegiances.

I still to this day cannot get over the fact that many of you would support her for VP and maybe P. Infukincredible!!!

Partisan politics is a mental disease.


You're missing the whole point here. The reason many of us support Sarah Palin is because of the effect on Quirt (and a few others). Without Quirt, Palin would be forgotten, exactly equivalent to Lloyd Bentsen or Geraldine Ferraro. Quirt breathes life into the Palin 2012 campaign (at least in TNCR).

So join us. Say it out loud. Palin for President in 2012!
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Apr 23 2009, 01:32 PM
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Apr 23 2009, 01:00 PM
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Apr 23 2009, 12:28 PM
What makes you think Sarah Palin is a sacred cow to anyone on this board?
Omigodski! you're kidding right?

Any and everytime a thread here that is derogatory to Palin pops up, your side will defend her to the death, no matter what the subject be.
It would be helpful if you could point out some threads that showed substantive criticism of Palin and her policies, rather than the typical character assassination, innuendo, and snarky judgments that are typical of threads about Palin.
I don't search old threads, I have a life.

It only took 5 minutes with Katie Couric to seal the deal for me. She earned all the character assassination, innuendo and snarky judgments she's received when she threw her hat into the ring.

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Apr 23 2009, 01:46 PM
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Apr 23 2009, 01:32 PM
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Apr 23 2009, 01:00 PM
Mikhailoh
Apr 23 2009, 12:28 PM
What makes you think Sarah Palin is a sacred cow to anyone on this board?
Omigodski! you're kidding right?

Any and everytime a thread here that is derogatory to Palin pops up, your side will defend her to the death, no matter what the subject be.
It would be helpful if you could point out some threads that showed substantive criticism of Palin and her policies, rather than the typical character assassination, innuendo, and snarky judgments that are typical of threads about Palin.
I don't search old threads, I have a life.

It only took 5 minutes with Katie Couric to seal the deal for me. She earned all the character assassination, innuendo and snarky judgments she's received when she threw her hat into the ring.

So cutting to the chase, your argument is basically: "People who defend Palin against unjust attacks are wrong because there is no such thing as an unjust attack against Palin."

Got it. Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. You're sounding like an ideologue, NS.
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Apr 23 2009, 01:50 PM
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Apr 23 2009, 01:46 PM
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Apr 23 2009, 01:32 PM
Nobody's Sock
Apr 23 2009, 01:00 PM
Mikhailoh
Apr 23 2009, 12:28 PM
What makes you think Sarah Palin is a sacred cow to anyone on this board?
Omigodski! you're kidding right?

Any and everytime a thread here that is derogatory to Palin pops up, your side will defend her to the death, no matter what the subject be.
It would be helpful if you could point out some threads that showed substantive criticism of Palin and her policies, rather than the typical character assassination, innuendo, and snarky judgments that are typical of threads about Palin.
I don't search old threads, I have a life.

It only took 5 minutes with Katie Couric to seal the deal for me. She earned all the character assassination, innuendo and snarky judgments she's received when she threw her hat into the ring.

So cutting to the chase, your argument is basically: "People who defend Palin against unjust attacks are wrong because there is no such thing as an unjust attack against Palin."

Got it. Anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. You're sounding like an ideologue, NS.
And I'm beginning to understand what Renauda says about your debate style. It really is annoying.

You are putting words into my mouth.

One person's idea of an unjust attack may be perfectly just to another. Sort of like you and your daily Obie quips. Unjust to many for sure.

What I was saying is that because this governer threw her hat into the ring to vie for the Presidency, she willingly opened the door to all sorts of criticism.

I only criticize her for my perception of her intelligence. She was woefully lacking in every interview and debate I viewed. But you all stood behind her and defended every interview, every debate. Amazing, really amazing. I guess as long as a candidate stands on your side of the aisle, you don't care how how simple minded that person may be. She's going to put a stop to abortion, she's got my vote. Regardless of the fact she doesn't know which way to point the missiles she may have to fire one day.
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Apr 23 2009, 02:12 PM
And I'm beginning to understand what Renauda says about your debate style. It really is annoying.

You are putting words into my mouth.

One person's idea of an unjust attack may be perfectly just to another. Sort of like you and your daily Obie quips. Unjust to many for sure.

What I was saying is that because this governer threw her hat into the ring to vie for the Presidency, she willingly opened the door to all sorts of criticism.

I only criticize her for my perception of her intelligence. She was woefully lacking in every interview and debate I viewed. But you all stood behind her and defended every interview, every debate. Amazing, really amazing. I guess as long as a candidate stands on your side of the aisle, you don't care how how simple minded that person may be. She's going to put a stop to abortion, she's got my vote. Regardless of the fact she doesn't know which way to point the missiles she may have to fire one day.
You can't accuse some of trying to put words in your mouth if you don't actually make a coherent argument as to why your position is the correct one.

You debating style is simple assertion: "Why? Because she has become a sacred cow to you and others." When challenged on that you again simply assert "Any and everytime a thread here that is derogatory to Palin pops up, your side will defend her to the death, no matter what the subject be."

When challenged to produce evidence to that, you lapse back to "I am right".

You seem to be missing the point that this is not about Palin being criticized, but you attacking people here for defending her against what they perceive as unjust criticism. You make strong statements about people considering her a sacred cow, and defending her regardless of the attack, and then get annoyed when people challenge your polemics.

And all you really offer is a series of personal attacks, first against Palin and now against me. That is your debating style, Rick. The fact that I call you on it is undoubtedly annoying to you, but the way to fix it is to stop doing what you are doing instead of trying to change other people.
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There is a certain rather hackneyed social-conservative line of argument, commonly used by the more crusty members of the religious right that goes:

1. A woman's place is in the home, providing a stable family environment, and supporting the breadwinner of the family. This is the natural order of things.

2. Teen and unmarried pregnancies are the fault of a poor home environment.

3. Career women, as blind victims of feminism, with unrealistic expectations of what life should bring, tend to neglect 1. and this leads to an inevitable increase in 2.

Since the highly ambitious Sarah Palin has become the poster-girl for social conservatism in America, I am forced to withdraw my remarks about Americans not really understanding irony. You have clearly decided to take it new heights. Well done!
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Uh, thanks?
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I think you are confusing hackneyed liberal arguments against social conservatives for actual social conservative arguments.
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Apr 23 2009, 02:28 PM
I think you are confusing hackneyed liberal arguments against social conservatives for actual social conservative arguments.
Social conservatives are all very clever and would never come out with this kind of nonsense, in other words?
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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