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Topic Started: Apr 22 2009, 07:17 PM (538 Views)
Mikhailoh
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Mark
Apr 25 2009, 03:38 AM
I find that racism is alive and well in large cities.

Milwaukee, WI is one of the most racist places I have ever been. That was 20 years ago. I doubt much has changed because the people are still passing it on to their children.
Try Detroit. And not without reason. Blacks in Detroit have destroyed that city. They'll end up putting concertina wire around the inner city.
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Jolly
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jon-nyc
Apr 25 2009, 04:10 AM
Dewey
Apr 24 2009, 07:15 PM
What has changed - and what has remained the same - in the south is exactly the same as what has changed and remained the same in the north. The racism of the '60's is now two generations removed from both, and while some elements of racism remain, and probably always will, American culture today is far more homogenous and far less racist than was the case in the past.
I agree with this post almost in its entirety.

But contained in there is the admission that the society Jolly grew up in was racist. The reason I phrased the question the way I did, and the reason I pressed it so many times, was to see if he'd make that admission, either implicitly or explicitly. Frankly I didn't think he would.
No, I knew where you were going, but you are wrong even about that.

Racism existed and exists in the South, but we lost the war, so we didn't get to write the history books. As bad as it was for blacks in certain areas of the South (remember, the South is not entirely homogenous, it is regional, almost nigh unto local), much more was made of their post-war plight than the Irish on the East Coast or the Asians on the West Coast.

Taken through that lens, we are not perfect, but perhaps we weren't as bad as some thought us to be. Anyway, now is generations past segregated lunch counters or schools. Most of the time, folks are just trying to make a living and do what's best for them and their children.

Occasionally, we'll have something like the Jena March...quite comical, actually. Outside people with preconceived notions much like Jon's, marching for social justice and railing against the Old South, and using for their poster boy an absolute thug who none of you would walk on the same side of the street with. But...since it is the South, and he is Black, he must be persecuted... :rolleyes2:

No, Douglas was right those many years ago when asked how one should treat a black man, and he responded that a black man should be treated just as any other. To do otherwise, is its own special form of racism and an admission by the perpetrators that the black man is inferior, needing special attention to make his way through the world.

Take your blinders off, Jon and read the article. Once we can agree that most of the old racial laws of the past are no longer needed, we can turn our attention to segregating society the way that y'all do it up North - by money.
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Luke's Dad
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My experience, having spent a year down in Atlanta, is that most of the racist problems in GA comes from the Yanks that migrated there after the Olympics. You get out of the city and into areas of "Ol Georgia", racism is not any more prevalent than it is anywhere else.

Now, that doesn't mean that prejudice doesn't exist, but it's not based on race. It's based on whether or not you're from Richmond. GA folk don't care for those snooty Richmond folk. (And Richmond folk don't necessarily care for Atlanta folk).
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Renauda
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....much more was made of their post-war plight than the Irish on the East Coast


The Irish were victims of discrimination following the war? Can someone elaborate? Never heard of that.
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1566460/prejudices_and_discrimination_against_pg3.html?cat=47 This continued mostly through WWI, there was a little remaining up and until The Great Depression.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Dewey
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HOLY CARP!!!
A line from Blazing Saddles comes to mind.
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jon-nyc
Apr 25 2009, 04:10 AM

But contained in there is the admission that the society Jolly grew up in was racist.


Unlike the wonderful right-thinking Northern society.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Renauda
Apr 25 2009, 06:41 AM

The Irish were victims of discrimination following the war? Can someone elaborate? Never heard of that.

I started caddying at the Brookline muni in the early 60's.

After a while I moved across the street to the Country Club.

One day someone informed me that Irish were not allowed in the Club - except of course for menial labor.

At that point I said "To hell with them" and went back across the street to caddy for the Jews (who also were not allowed in the CC) at the muni.

This was a common attitude at the time. It was very widespread around Boston before the war and continued for a while after.

To save ink pre-war the "Now Hiring" signs said simply "INNA" at the bottom - Irish Need Not Apply.

[edit] I just noticed the NINA in the linked story - I remembered INNA [/edit]

The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Renauda
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I wasn't aware of this. What was the basis for the discrimination? Catholicism? Wouldn't surprise me from I have read about and been told of the fear mongering surrounding JFK nomination and campaign for presidency.
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Mikhailoh
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Only one of the country clubs in the town I graduated from high school allowed Irish, as we had a very large Irish Catholic community. Also Italians. No Jews. The other one didn't allow anyone but WASPs.
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If it makes you feel any better I believe that there's quite a few Irish pubs in Boston that make the English feel very unwelcome. :)
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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