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Question for Dewey, IT, and other Biblical Scholars
Topic Started: Apr 19 2009, 06:29 PM (823 Views)
ivorythumper
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Pianolicious
Apr 22 2009, 04:05 AM
Do academics study the concept of faith and use of it in interpreting life questions?
Is that a real question? I suppose some "academic" somewhere might have written a dissertation on precisely that question.
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Pianolicious
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Yes it's a very serious question. Perhaps not for you though. It's more of a spiritual question. Seems like your training is more worldly.
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You ask questions like "Why is the Vatican associated with "666"?" and accuse me of being dramatic? :lol2:
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I see you edited your post from one snarky attack to another. You are obviously an enlightened spiritual master, I can only be honored by the grace of your presence. :lol2:
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Pianolicious
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Care to talk about it? Seems like all my posts seem to hit your hot buttons.
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Apr 22 2009, 12:54 PM
Care to talk about it? Seems like all my posts seem to hit your hot buttons.
:lol2: hot buttons
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Dewey
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PL, I don't understand your question - can you elaborate?
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

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I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Careful there, PL. You may be tagteamed in this thread. :-)

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ivorythumper
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Care to talk about it? Seems like all my posts seem to hit your hot buttons.
Talk about what? Your apparently sarcastic use of the term "academic"? Or the fact that whenever we disagree about something you resort to personal attacks? Or that you somehow think you have the perspective to judge my emotional state from a few sentences that I write?

I am happy to talk with you about these things, or whatever else you wish.
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My use of the word academic was not sarcastic. This is a thread for scholars and I posed a question asking for a scholarly answer. You seem to have a personal problem with me so I would prefer that someone else address it.

My question was based on my own personal experiences/successes with putting an emphasis on faith as a way of getting answers to questions where answers aren't immediate, and how using faith as a factor in my life routine has transformed my life.

In math I'm learning about "slack variables" which can be used to solve compex inequalities by substituting an undefined parameter to find out if there's a solution set or not. Slack variables aren't real, but when they are plugged in to a tableaux or a matrix, the correct answer appears.

In Astronomy I'm getting chills up and down my spine as my teacher talks about light and energy in ways that closely resemble an out-of-body experience I had in 1984 after a high-speed freeway head-on car crash with a drunk driver.

I have found that faith that an answer will come usually results in a more correct answer coming more quickly than if I try to force it by working with my mind only or trying to control the process through intellect only.

So my question was posed to ask if any scholars or academic types have ever researched the non-quantifiable (faith) as a factor or variable in discovering truths.
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Well, PL, if I misinterpreted your use of "academic" then I apologize. However, I would certainly want you to explain how you used the word in direct reference to me and in a personal attack so that I can better understand how it is that you can make statements about my "hot buttons" as if you are not deliberately being provocative.
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Oh for crying out loud, don't start apologizing just as it was getting good. I've got some amusing pictures of fish I wish to post.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Pufferfish. I always like to begin with the the comical first, and then gradually move to the beautiful.
"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Pianolicious
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I don't feel any need to reply except to say that when you lob a grenade and someone catches it and throws it back at you, and it explodes in your face, you can't very well play the victim.
Sit tibi vita longa et omnia bona!!! -- Dr. Spock
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From http://www.insidehighereducation.com/views/2006/11/30/gunsalus

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The bullies I have encountered in the academic environment come in many forms, from those who present themselves as victims, all the way to classic aggressors who rely on physical intimidation. Whatever their approaches, bullies are people who are willing to cross the boundaries of civilized behavior that inhibit others. They value the rewards brought by aggression and generally lack guilt, believing their victims provoked the attacks and deserve the consequences.

Sit tibi vita longa et omnia bona!!! -- Dr. Spock
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Are you calling IT an academic bully? If so, you are way off. And it seems to me you've been using the term 'academic' sarcastically since I tried to explain that you were misreading IT's communication style. You seemed to think he was pissed off all the time, so I tried to explain that you were misreading him . . . I guess that didn't work at all.

I do appreciate your effort to provide some context to what you were asking about.
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Ah, let me get this straight -- I don't agree with your point about Obie and the issue of religious imagery, and I don't accept your explanations about the supposed need to hide religious symbols during a public speech in an auditorium on the campus of a religious institution.

So when I suggest to you that it is about competing religious imagery, you try to counter with similar religious imagery showing Bush and others, and then attack me as not being intelligent, and then claimed to have pwned me and sarcastically used the term "academic". .

Then you throw about bizarre bigotry regarding the Vatican and the mark of the Beast, and ask some arched question about if "academics study the concept of faith and use of it in interpreting life questions?". When I ask if that was a serious question you first attack me as being dramatic, but then edit your comment and attack me as not being very enlightened spiritually, and then pull some passive aggressive bullcarp about me having hot buttons and offering to talk about it with some large dose of condescension.

You then try to deny that you were using the term "academic" sarcastically, even though it was already established that you were -- and your subsequent post about "academic bullying" only confirms that you were lying about that.

And so now you are accusing me of being an academic bully and playing the victim simply because I caught you in your attacks and lies. OK, man. You are a piece of work. Take the chip off your shoulder, it is crushing your soul.

I hope you value the rewards brought by aggression and can look in the mirror with your general lack of guilt, undoubtedly convinced in your own mind that I provoked the attacks and deserve the consequences.
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Apr 22 2009, 02:34 PM
Oh for crying out loud, don't start apologizing just as it was getting good. I've got some amusing pictures of fish I wish to post.
I wouldn't be too quick to throw those fish back. It seems that all bets are off on the apologetics as far as this thread is concerned.
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My question was based on my own personal experiences/successes with putting an emphasis on faith as a way of getting answers to questions where answers aren't immediate, and how using faith as a factor in my life routine has transformed my life.

In math I'm learning about "slack variables" which can be used to solve compex inequalities by substituting an undefined parameter to find out if there's a solution set or not. Slack variables aren't real, but when they are plugged in to a tableaux or a matrix, the correct answer appears.

In Astronomy I'm getting chills up and down my spine as my teacher talks about light and energy in ways that closely resemble an out-of-body experience I had in 1984 after a high-speed freeway head-on car crash with a drunk driver.

I have found that faith that an answer will come usually results in a more correct answer coming more quickly than if I try to force it by working with my mind only or trying to control the process through intellect only.


To your one point, it's true that studies relating to quantum physics, multi-dimensionality, and other avenues are sometimes positing concepts that are quite parallel to certain issues of religious faith, or bolster the potential correctness of what's been defined in non-scientific manners in the past.

To your main point, I think it's important to define how the term "faith" is being used. It sounds like the definiton you're using in this case is more a general concept of "relaxed confidence" that something will eventually happen. This is a facet of the word's meaning that is part of spiritual faith, but which is not exclusive to the spiritual aspect of the term. Spiritual faith encompasses a lot more than that. That isn't to take away any of the importance of the aspect you seem to be using here; that kind of faith, as you say, has value as well. It's just something different than the way I'd generally use the term.

"By nature, i prefer brevity." - John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, p. 685.

"Never waste your time trying to explain yourself to people who are committed to misunderstanding you." - Anonymous

"Oh sure, every once in a while a turd floated by, but other than that it was just fine." - Joe A., 2011

I'll answer your other comments later, but my primary priority for the rest of the evening is to get drunk." - Klaus, 12/31/14
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Speaking of faith, there is that verse in the Bible that says, "Faith without works is dead," and then a passage that describes the fruits of spiritual growth, and that, "You shall know them by their fruits."

I'm sure my interpretation of those two passages differs radically from everyone else's understanding, but it's always seemed to me that it was up to me to grow in God's love, and that the qualities, the "fruits," would manifest as a matter of course.

As for faith, I took it to mean that without direct spiritual experience to bolster that faith, when the tempests of life came, it would be the proverbial house built on the sand and it would collapse.

Certainly, as a by-product of our faith, we are to tend to the weak, the sick, the poor, the downtrodden, the imprisoned, the elderly, etc., but that verse also struck me as a pact that God was making with human beings, too.
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Renauda
Apr 22 2009, 06:23 PM
John D'Oh
Apr 22 2009, 02:34 PM
Oh for crying out loud, don't start apologizing just as it was getting good. I've got some amusing pictures of fish I wish to post.
I wouldn't be too quick to throw those fish back. It seems that all bets are off on the apologetics as far as this thread is concerned.
Well, it was a conditional apology based on the notion that I might have misinterpreted his use of the word. Since then, it has become apparent by his own failure to offer even an explanation of how he could use the word as he did and not expect it to be taken as an attack, and his playing the victim of my supposed "academic bullying", that I was not mistaken about his true intentions.
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Pianolicious
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Dewey: Thanks. You are a very kind, patient man. I know I sometimes go off on tangents, but I am experiencing some very profound growth these days, so I appreciate your tolerance when you would be very justified in being less so.

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Are you calling IT an academic bully? If so, you are way off.


We should always be mindful of presumptive fallacies based on rhetorical or loaded questions.

IT: My reference to academics (I admit in very poor taste) was in the plural and thus was by definition not a singular personal attack.
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ivorythumper
Apr 22 2009, 06:50 PM
Renauda
Apr 22 2009, 06:23 PM
John D'Oh
Apr 22 2009, 02:34 PM
Oh for crying out loud, don't start apologizing just as it was getting good. I've got some amusing pictures of fish I wish to post.
I wouldn't be too quick to throw those fish back. It seems that all bets are off on the apologetics as far as this thread is concerned.
Well, it was a conditional apology based on the notion that I might have misinterpreted his use of the word. Since then, it has become apparent by his own failure to offer even an explanation of how he could use the word as he did and not expect it to be taken as an attack, and his playing the victim of my supposed "academic bullying", that I was not mistaken about his true intentions.
I wonder how many fish D'Oh has. Perhaps with a little bread and wine he can feed a multitude.
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i tell u what. why dont u gentiles come back to saturday.

u'll see, we're the pros at arguments. we wont let u get a word in edgewise, and your bickering can stop.
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Pianolicious
Apr 22 2009, 07:07 PM
Dewey: Thanks. You are a very kind, patient man. I know I sometimes go off on tangents, but I am experiencing some very profound growth these days, so I appreciate your tolerance when you would be very justified in being less so.

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Are you calling IT an academic bully? If so, you are way off.


We should always be mindful of presumptive fallacies based on rhetorical or loaded questions.

IT: My reference to academics (I admit in very poor taste) was in the plural and thus was by definition not a singular personal attack.
It would be helpful if you posted some of your own comments instead of just dropping a quote about academic bullying from a website without commentary after making accusations of grenade lobbing in the previous post. Can you see how that might come across to some people?

When someone takes something I say other than how I meant it, I tell them that's not what I meant, let me clarify. Actually, I was trying to explain to you in the other thread that you were misinterpreting IT. I don't know if you believed me or not or even cared, but it was worth a shot.
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