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nasty quake in italia
Topic Started: Apr 5 2009, 09:48 PM (274 Views)
bachophile
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HOLY CARP!!!
in abruzzo east of rome.

an area i would love to visit along with umbria.

tuscany is just too...popular these days.
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Kind of an aside, but one of my favorite restaurants in the world is Ambasciata D'Abruzzo in Rome.
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Just heard on the news, over 100 have died, thousands have lost their homes :(

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Frank_W
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:no: Horrible... I didn't even know there was a fault line, there.
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Red Rice
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So tragic. Such a beautiful region of Italy. :(
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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bachophile
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Frank_W
Apr 6 2009, 04:31 PM
:no: Horrible... I didn't even know there was a fault line, there.
actually well known for quakes....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_Italy

in 1997 the basilica of st francis of assisi was almost wiped out....

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Basilica of St. Francis of Assisi, Assisi, Italy (during earthquake of Sept. 27, 1997).
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Earthquake was predicted, no one listened, says researcher
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Man Says Italy Ignored Quake Warning

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(April 6) - A researcher says he predicted Monday's devastating earthquake that killed dozens of people and left tens of thousands homeless in central Italy, but authorities dismissed him as a scaremonger.

Gioacchino Giuliani, an employee at a physics institute at Gran Sasso, near the badly-hit city of L'Aquila, has demanded an official apology for what he says was an unforgivable failure to act on his predictions.

A seismologist said he predicted a major earthquake would hit central Italy but ignored his warnings. On Monday, catastrophe struck near the town of L'Aquila. A 6.3-magnitude quake hit before dawn and killed more than 150 people. "There are people who must apologize to me," Giacchino Giuliani said.

"There are people who must apologize to me, and they must have the weight of what occurred on their conscience," Giuliani said after the quake hit, according to local news site Ilcapoluogo.com.

Last month, vans with loudspeakers drove around the area broadcasting Giuliani's warning after he claimed his method of predicting seismic events by radon gas emissions had forecast an imminent quake.

The scientist was reported to police for spreading false alarms and was made to remove his findings from the Internet. "They called me an imbecile," he said.

According IlCapoluogo, Giuliani gave an interview as recently as March 24 in which he repeated his claims.

Local authorities have insisted Monday's 6.3-magnitude event was part of a sequence of tremors in a quake-prone area and neither the size nor the timing was possible to predict.

Giuliani said he was monitoring radon concentrations ahead of Monday's quake, but knew the authorities would press charges against him if he repeated his warning.

"last night I did not know who to talk to. I could see the situation was deteriorating and there was nothing I could do," he said, according to IlCapoluogo.




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Frank_W
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Interesting... Sounds like a brilliant man. The loss of the basilica would have been tragic, indeed. They are restoring it, I presume?
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Mikhailoh
Apr 6 2009, 07:49 PM
"There are people who must apologize to me," Giacchino Giuliani said.
To him??? How about to some of the other people.
Pfft.
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Red Rice
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I wonder if Giuliani is a flake or not. It's currently impossible to predict earthquakes so if it's valid, monitoring radon gas levels could be a real breakthrough.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

- Cecil Lewis
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Frank_W
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That's what I was thinking too, RedRice.
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LA Times article on earthquake prediction...

A bold prediction

Wiki on earthquake prediction...

Earthquake prediction

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Red Rice
Apr 7 2009, 05:54 AM
I wonder if Giuliani is a flake or not. It's currently impossible to predict earthquakes so if it's valid, monitoring radon gas levels could be a real breakthrough.
There was seismologist interviewed about this on NPR last night. He pretty much said the radon gas theory has a very low correlation with actual occurrences, and isn't a reliable predictor, and that it's not possible to predict quakes in the short-term by an means. The best we can hope for is to look at the long term and do things like avoid building hospitals in high risk areas.
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I wonder what might have been done if the warning had been taken seriously? There was still what? - an 8 - 10 day lapse between the predicted and actual date. So, would you evacuate the whole town for that period? Have people sleep in tents in the street? I wonder what precautions they might take.

The pictures show just horrific devastation and a lot of very, very old buildings have been damaged. It makes me think that this is the first time a quake of that magnitude has hit that area for centuries.
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John D'Oh
Apr 7 2009, 06:58 AM
Red Rice
Apr 7 2009, 05:54 AM
I wonder if Giuliani is a flake or not. It's currently impossible to predict earthquakes so if it's valid, monitoring radon gas levels could be a real breakthrough.
There was seismologist interviewed about this on NPR last night. He pretty much said the radon gas theory has a very low correlation with actual occurrences, and isn't a reliable predictor, and that it's not possible to predict quakes in the short-term by an means. The best we can hope for is to look at the long term and do things like avoid building hospitals in high risk areas.
I would guess most of the building destruction and consequent loss of life is due to unreinforced masonry construction that is typical of the pre modern era. The Loma Prieta quake in 89 was significantly stronger -- 6.9 vs 6.3 -- took down a section of the Bay Bridge and killed 63 people, in a region many times more densely populated than Abruzzo.

The problem is that "high risk areas" are entire regions due to the way EQs move. But we have very good seismic design capabilities, and different regions are required to conform to different standards in the building codes based on seismic patterns.
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