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If it's true, it's very disturbing
Topic Started: Apr 5 2009, 02:36 PM (1,066 Views)
QuantumIvory
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I don't know if the assertion is true or not, but if the Obama administration is refusing TARP repayment from larger banks so that the government can continue to control them, it represents a truly disturbing scenario. What good could possibly come out of the governments refusal to take back the money?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123879833094588163.html
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Renauda
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Could it be because the regulatory system is either broke down or non exisitent? We're happy to provide the US with a model that actually works:

http://s10.zetaboards.com/The_New_Coffee_Room/topic/7115766/1/#new
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jon-nyc
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They would only not allow the return if the bank couldn't pass the treasury stress test without the funds.

I don't think there's anything to worry about in this regard.
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Apr 5 2009, 02:53 PM
They would only not allow the return if the bank couldn't pass the treasury stress test without the funds.

I don't think there's anything to worry about in this regard.
I hope you're right, Jon. It'll be interesting to see if it plays out that way.
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1hp
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All fine and dandy, except the Treasury tests are now being reported as a sham.

Geithner's Stress Test a Complete Sham
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Larry
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Funny how a lot of what's happening right now parallels Hitler's rise to power.
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Mark
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Yep! They are working on the gun bans as we speak too.
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Frank_W
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Got my concealed-carry permit in the mail, Saturday. Friends of mine who are interested, I've been urging them to get their permits. I've heard rumors that the requirements to obtain one are going to become far more stringent.
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Mark
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Now they know you have a gun and carry it on your person.
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Frank_W
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Yeah.. They're welcome to come get it, too. I'll be happy to turn over my ammunition to them. One round at a time.


Seriously, though: I will work within the framework of the law, until that framework becomes impossible. At that point, I guess I will be an outlaw. The one gun that I may or may not have on my person, is nothing in comarison to the guns and ammo that I may or may not have at my residence and/or in my vehicle at any given time.
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QuirtEvans
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There is a certain lack of perspective around here, about how bad things are and how we are falling deeply into socialism. Let's go back a few decades, to when Richard Nixon was President. Airline prices ... regulated. Utility prices ... regulated. Interest rates ... regulated. And a Republican President adopted nationwide wage and price controls to curb inflation.

I'm sure you could all come up with several more examples, if you picked through your memories.

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Mark
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I think I may not have made my point very clear.

In my opinion and in the opinion of many others, registration of gun owners is only the beginning of the end of the 2nd amendment.

Concealed carry permits are unconstitutional. The default is that we are allowed, by the constitution to keep and "bear" (to carry on one's person) arms. There is nothing in that statement that says "as long as the government knows who you are and keeps a record of it".
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Frank_W
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Yep. Things are never as bad as extremists on either side wish to paint them.
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Mark
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Until the rest wake up one day under total government control.

I think we are already there and your Concealed carry permit kind of proves my point.
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Well, I'm not going to debate the 2nd amendment with you, Mark.

You live in a state where you can't even CARRY a handgun, AT ALL. Talk about unconstitutional!

Taking a handgun safety course and being a registered user, does not infringe upon my constitutional rights, and if I felt that it did, I could move 100 miles south to Alabama, where there is no permit law.
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Mark
Apr 6 2009, 08:26 AM
I think I may not have made my point very clear.

In my opinion and in the opinion of many others, registration of gun owners is only the beginning of the end of the 2nd amendment.

Concealed carry permits are unconstitutional. The default is that we are allowed, by the constitution to keep and "bear" (to carry on one's person) arms. There is nothing in that statement that says "as long as the government knows who you are and keeps a record of it".
Likewise, Mark, there is nothing in the Constitution that says that you can stay out of jail if you don't register your guns.

Requiring a gun registration doesn't impinge on the Second Amendment. Now, if you apply and are denied, then there's an issue. Until that happens ... no issue.
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Mark
Apr 6 2009, 08:26 AM
I think I may not have made my point very clear.

In my opinion and in the opinion of many others, registration of gun owners is only the beginning of the end of the 2nd amendment.

Concealed carry permits are unconstitutional. The default is that we are allowed, by the constitution to keep and "bear" (to carry on one's person) arms. There is nothing in that statement that says "as long as the government knows who you are and keeps a record of it".
Oh, by the way? The Constitution doesn't mention handguns at all. It mentions "arms", which, at the time, were primarily rifles. Given that modern handguns didn't exist in the 18th century, we're all extrapolating about what the Framers' intent would have been on the subject of concealed weapons.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Frank_W
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Right. Rifles for home defense, or for fighting a war against the government, if it (god forbid) came down to that.
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Mark
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QuirtEvans
Apr 6 2009, 08:29 AM
Likewise, Mark, there is nothing in the Constitution that says that you can stay out of jail if you don't register your guns.
The powers granted to the government are enumerated and as such if they are not listed they do not exist.

The power to force the people to tell the government what they own is not enumerated therefore it does not exist.
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QuirtEvans
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That isn't true with respect to state law, Mark.

The federal Constitution does not enumerate the powers of state governments.
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Mark
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State law cannot trump the constitution Quirt.
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Frank_W
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Also: I live in a society. Therefore, I do my best to abide by the rules of that society. If I carry a handgun without a permit, then I am a criminal. Period. In my society, a person must be licensed to carry a handgun, therefore, if I wish to carry a handgun, then I will go through the necessary requirements. Those requirements are not unreasonable.
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Mark
Apr 6 2009, 09:02 AM
State law cannot trump the constitution Quirt.
But, we've already said that the Constitution does not proscribe the registration of guns. You have the right to keep and bear arms ... not the right to keep them secret.

Hence, state law on gun registration is completely consistent with the plain language of the Constitution.
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Mark
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I disagree.
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Frank_W
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Um.... I have several guns that are not registered/titled to me. Guns aren't registered the way vehicles are. All the government knows, is that I have a permit to carry. They don't know what I'm carrying or what I own.
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