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Anybody here buy "Organic" Foods?
Topic Started: Apr 2 2009, 08:22 PM (438 Views)
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M&M's is trying to clean up our diets a little, including switching to organic foods. On the surface, it sounds fine to me, especially the vegetables. I find it difficult to stomach paying twice the price for the meats, however. We had switched to organic milk, but M&M's was having a few stomach problems with it, so somebody suggested trying this milk that is lactose free (how the heck is that organic? Milk has lactose in it, plain & simple. If you alter it, it's no longer "organic"). Anyway, I tried it, but the stuff is way too sweet. It tastes like the sugar milk left at the bottom of a bowl of kids cereal.

Anybody else doing the organic thing? Does it make a big difference health wise, or is it just the latest thing?
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Pianolicious
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I do sometimes. I went to organic milk cuz I know how much drugs they give cows these days, but then just gave up dairy completely.
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Pianolicious
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M&Ms stomach problems could be from the leftover antibiotics in milk killing off all the flora. Tell her to take some acidopholus capsules with meals and see if that takes care of it. If it does, think about how many unprescribed antibiotics you're taking through milk and switch to soy or something.
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blondie
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We do organic fresh veggies when we can. We do it 'cause we think they taste better. We like BC fruit (organic or not) when we can get that. That's a treat to us.

I don't do many milk products but that's because I'm prone to acne from it. I tend to do soy and seek out Calcium elsewhere.

We're from Alberta. We :heart: our own beef.
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I had a date at an organic pizza place the other day - does that count?

(We got the least strange item on the menu - mushroom and chocolate pizza. I was actually hoping they'd have grape pizza by the slice (it's on their menu), because I'm quite curious to try that.)

I know what you mean about twice the price, because everything kosher is so much more expensive. The cheapest kosher deli meat is probably $5.99/lb turkey (on sale! usually at least 8.99 or 9.99/lb) Beef? $9.99/lb would be very cheap! (Usually between $12.99-$14.99/lb, where I've been.)
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I buy organic fruit and veg sometimes, I go by price and freshness. I won't spend the extra money to buy soggy veg, just because they are organic.

Definitely not milk, the price difference is nuts. If milk products bother you, it's got nothing to do with being organic or not, just cut back on dairy, period.
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I buy organic depending on the season and price. Local produce trumps organic for me in the summer. I'd rather buy strawberries from a roadside stand where they pick them fresh every morning than in a grocery where they've been trucked in. So in the winter, I buy more organic produce.

I knew I had seen this list somewhere:
The nonprofit Environmental Working Group studied 43 fruits and vegetables and ranked them according to contamination. Choose organic versions of the 12 worst offenders and you'll reduce your exposure by almost 90 percent: peaches, apples, bell peppers, celery, nectarines, strawberries, cherries, pears, grapes (imported), spinach, lettuce, potatoes.

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I do when I can, yes. Otherwise I wash the fruits and veggies well.

There are some good nutritional newsletters our there, like from Tufts University. They don't sell advertising and just publish the results of the latest scientific studies. I read them (another one from Harvard, I think) when I go to the library. It helps me sort out magazine hype from what is nutritionally better.

I also spend more for dairy that was raised in accordance with guidlines from the humane society, when I can.
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We do some organic, when we can, for stuff that makes sense.

One thing we do religiously is organic milk. It's actually very easy. Costco sells organic milk in the tetrabricks, they last six months or longer, each portion is kid-sized, the kids like them, and I don't have to run to the store all the time because I can buy a bunch of cartons and keep using them. That's pretty much all the milk the kids drink (other than in cereal).
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That is a fascinating tidbit about Costco organic milk. I'll have to look at that. Is it a powdered milk of some sort?

I buy organic when I can. Lately organic produce has been getting to be about the same cost as the other, and that's great.
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Apr 3 2009, 04:07 AM
That is a fascinating tidbit about Costco organic milk. I'll have to look at that. Is it a powdered milk of some sort?

I buy organic when I can. Lately organic produce has been getting to be about the same cost as the other, and that's great.
Nope, it isn't. It's super-homogenized, like they do in Europe, I think.

Costco used to just sell the Horizon-brand organic in the tetra-bricks, but now they have their own brand both chocolate and plain, too. (The Horizon is three or four bucks per box cheaper than at the grocery stores ... a box has 18 containers in it, I think.)

And, of course, they sell packs of three half-gallons of organic milk, too.
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I get Costco brand tetra-bricks in soy milk.

It's also good b/c it has a long shelf life in that packaging and if we have to survive in the basement for a long period of time, the milk alone should give us about a month or two b/f we move onto the bulk cat food.
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Apr 3 2009, 04:12 AM
Mikhailoh
Apr 3 2009, 04:07 AM
That is a fascinating tidbit about Costco organic milk. I'll have to look at that. Is it a powdered milk of some sort?

I buy organic when I can. Lately organic produce has been getting to be about the same cost as the other, and that's great.
Nope, it isn't. It's super-homogenized, like they do in Europe, I think.
Is that the same as UHT milk? I never much liked the taste of that stuff, although it's handy if you're camping etc.
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Quirt, do you know what the cost per gallon is? Heck, I'm already buying Costco milk anyway. Just went yesterday as a matter of fact.
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I never liked the ultra homog. milk. It tastes chalky to me - probably because there's no bacteria swimming around and making it sweet.
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Apr 3 2009, 04:17 AM
Quirt, do you know what the cost per gallon is? Heck, I'm already buying Costco milk anyway. Just went yesterday as a matter of fact.
$13 for 18 cartons. A little expensive, but worth it since it lasts a long time and the kids can take it anywhere.
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Doesn't sound so bad. I don't mind paying more for a better product, and we drink a good bit of milk.
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Organic is such a confusing concept. To be certified organic, the product can't be grown with chemical fertilizers or pesticides. So, for meat, that means the animals' fodder must be chemical free. That's all fine and well, but my feeling is that those types of chemicals are not necessarily the biggest concern I have about what I ingest. Yeah, pesticides are something I'd like to avoid eating, but chemical fertilizers in and of themselves are basic compounds that are in healthy soil anyway - nitrogen, phosphorous and potassium. So, although a natural fertilizer is more earth friendly in terms of production, I'm not sure that food grown with chemical fertilizers are really detrimental to one's health.

So, I tend to not pay much heed to the "organic" label. What I do want to avoid are meats that are raised in unhealthy (think feed lots) environments. Read "Omnivore's Dilemma" if you want to know what to avoid (warning: you won't want to buy anything in a grocery store for weeks after you finish the book!). Feed lot animals are fed huge quanties of antibiotics and hormones. The antibiotics are necessary to keep the animals from dying of infectious diseases because they are liternally crammed into pens in which they are knee deep in their own ****. The hormones are necessary because the corn-heavy diets they are fed to fatten them up as fast as possible are not easily digeste. Ccws are grass eating animals and have not evolved to easily digest corn which causes bloating and all sorts of problems. The hormones circumvent this problem. I absolutely do no like the idea of eating hormone and antibiotic laced meat and I also am morally opposed to eating animals raised in abjectly inhumane environs. Hence, I only buy locally grown meat where I know the animals were treated humanely (haha - I like to see my future meat grazing happily on a hilly knoll) and without this carp.

I feel the same way about chickens and eggs. I am not too concerned about the "organic" stamp on the egg carton, but I do want to know the chickens were raised cage-free and without antibiotics. That translates to me as a healthy, happy chicken.

OMG, talk about disgusting mass egg production. We have one of the worst, most egregious offenders in our community. They used to be called Decoster Farms. They had so many citations from USDA that they broke apart into a lot of satellite companies with innocuous names. Here are articles from today's local paper about the most recent raid and conditions at this disgusting place. It turns out that all the local grocery stores, including Walmart, sell their eggs under a whole variety of labels - the one I really love is "Grandpa's Farm Fresh Eggs" - yeah right!
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/310801-3/LewistonAuburn/Probe_goes_on_day_after_raid_at_Turner_plant/
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/310802-3/LewistonAuburn/Egg_farm_under_pressure_Local_stores_selling_products_from_facility_targeted_during_raid/
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I read the Omnivoire's Dilemma, Kathy. I agree completely with your reactions to it. Why that is permitted in our country is beyond me.
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Organic milk and organic coffee are both soooo good. :thumb:

I should do the commercials for it:
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"Organic -- So good, it'll make your toes curl!"

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i don't buy organic - but try to buy homegrown and local in the summers.

i do go as natural as possible. fresh or frozen fruits and veggies, unprepackaged foods.. as close to nature as possible.

rice, grains, flours, pastas in bulk.

my favorite is Sam's big bag of frozen fruit.. excellent value and tres delish.

i would really like to buy milk and meats with hormones but currently we can't afford that luxury mostly... i often split 1/2 a natural frozen cow with friends.. i know where it was raised and what it was fed. - i also get chickens there sometimes.
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Yeah, avoiding processed foods is the most important step. Variety from there. Limit your calorie intake. Go for a walk. Dark chocolate and red wine are healthy in small quantities. And large quantities are fun.
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I am planning a garden this year...raised beds and lots of friends helping out. Mrs. FR has enlisted the help of her office co-workers who have no space for a garden.

We try to get organic food especially for Zack...and Mrs. FR likes the organic milk. As far as fresh veggies go, the stuff they sell in Wyoming, organinc or not, tastes like it's made out of styrofoam. I am seriously missing the food I ate growing up back east...real cheddar cheese...maple syrup...

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No - simply because I am smarter than everyone here and recognize what is so painfully obvious once it's told to you.

Look at the word "organic". If you move the last two letters to the front, you get "I see organ". Now, is that something you want to eat? Idontthinksothankyouverymuch!
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I like organic bananas, eggs and honey just because i think they taste significantly different in a really yummy way. Everything else, i'm not fussed about.

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