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| QuirtEvans | Apr 2 2009, 04:26 AM Post #26 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Oh, and as to your other point ... He's not taxing the middle class, he's taxing a dangerous behavior. I don't really care how that dangerous behavior breaks down by socioeconomic strata. Everyone needs income. Most people need a car. No one needs to smoke. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuantumIvory | Apr 2 2009, 04:32 AM Post #27 |
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Senior Carp
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Gee, Mark, being so "dangerously uninformed" on the Federal Reserve seems to put you in the company of two Nobel Laureates. From now on, could you do a little more research before posting your infantile opinions?
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"I regard consciousness as fundamental. We cannot get behind consciousness." -Max Planck | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 2 2009, 04:38 AM Post #28 |
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I can't comment on them unless you identify them and link to their opinions so that we can all see exactly what they are saying. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuantumIvory | Apr 2 2009, 04:44 AM Post #29 |
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Milton Friedman. F.A. Hayek. |
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| Renauda | Apr 2 2009, 05:08 AM Post #30 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Ezra Pound was against central banks as well. He was was also an honest to goodness water carrying fellow traveller of Mussolini's Fascist Party and a nutbob who ended his days in a DC chuckle ranch (the same one that is soon to the HQ of the Dept of Homeland Security). |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 2 2009, 05:09 AM Post #31 |
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| George K | Apr 2 2009, 05:30 AM Post #32 |
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Fair enough. I expect that federal gas taxes will not go up, then. As to secondhand smoke, you're right. Though the effects are measurable, and suffered by innocent people, they are not nearly as beneficial to society as smokers are. It's like motorcycle helmets: I'm opposed to laws mandating them because we need more organ donors and fewer quadriplegics.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| QuantumIvory | Apr 2 2009, 05:41 AM Post #33 |
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Short on time this morning Quirt, but maybe this can get you started: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0802b.asp |
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 07:37 AM Post #34 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Infantile? Hardly Quirt. There is nothing childish about individual rights and liberty. Not a damn thing. You are the one who is dangerously uninformed. Either that or you simply choose to ignore the facts for your agenda of total government control over the individual. |
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 07:40 AM Post #35 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Seriously. But then Quirt is never one to let facts get in the way of personal attacks on me. |
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 07:42 AM Post #36 |
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Quirt won't read Friedman or Hayek. If it did he would also consider them dangerously uninformed I guess. |
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 07:42 AM Post #37 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I suppose Thomas Jefferson was dangerously uninformed too. |
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| 1hp | Apr 2 2009, 07:45 AM Post #38 |
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So using the same logic, automobiles kill a large number of Americans, so ban them or tax the hell out of them to make them unaffordable to all but the rich. Butter clogs the arteries, so ban it or tax the hell out of it. What a bunch of nonsense. Governments are the worst experts at anything, keep them out of my life. This is like that skit in Monty Python about burning witches. The reason I moved to the US and left the UK was to get away from Goverment and taxes. Now it's starting to look like time to find an island in the South Pacific. |
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 07:47 AM Post #39 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I will join you! |
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| JBryan | Apr 2 2009, 07:49 AM Post #40 |
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I will too. And I will start up a central bank. |
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 07:51 AM Post #41 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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And you won't live very long.
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| JBryan | Apr 2 2009, 07:53 AM Post #42 |
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I am the grey one
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| Frank_W | Apr 2 2009, 07:53 AM Post #43 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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I'll head up the mortgage and real estate! w00t!!
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 07:54 AM Post #44 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Remember Frank, my one gun holds 28 rounds in the magazine.
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 07:55 AM Post #45 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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And there will be no lawyers! |
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| Frank_W | Apr 2 2009, 07:57 AM Post #46 |
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Yes there will. I'll invite Quirt!
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 2 2009, 08:01 AM Post #47 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Wow, Thomas Jefferson was opposed to the Federal Reserve system? Maybe Nostradamus was too. |
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 08:02 AM Post #48 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Central Banking Quirt. And you call me uninformed? |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 2 2009, 08:10 AM Post #49 |
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Cars have a larger redeeming social purpose than cigarettes. In my opinion, of course, but I'm happy to note that that opinion is shared by the vast majority. If you'd like to get automobiles outlawed on the grounds that they are too dangerous, you are welcome to try, and to see if a majority shares your opinion. You're also welcome to try to get laws passed to protect the individual liberties of cigarette smokers. For all Mark's bluster and prattle about historical freedoms in America, it just isn't true. We've ALWAYS banned practices that the majority felt were immoral or dangerous. For quite a long time in America, homosexuality was against the law. Sodomy was against the law. There are books and books of the historical, anachronstic laws with moral, ant-libertarian overtones from early days that have never been repealed (i.e., it's against the law somewhere to walk your chicken down Main Street before noon). For example, in Mark's cherished home state of Wisconsin, it was (or perhaps still is) illegal to serve apple pie in public without cheese; making Limburger cheese requires a master cheese maker's license; and it was (or still is) illegal to kiss on a train. In Wisconsin, it's a Class A misdemeanor to wave a burning torch in the air. In Hudson, Wisconsin, screens are supposedly required on all windows from May 1 to October 1. In Brookfield, Wisconsin, tattooing is supposedly illegal, unless done for medical purposes. You get the picture. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 2 2009, 08:11 AM Post #50 |
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I know what central banking is, Mark, thanks. I also know that the world today is a little different than the world in the late 1800s. It's not apparent that you do. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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