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| Remember the "No New Taxes" pledge; Up in Smoke | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 1 2009, 04:43 PM (732 Views) | |
| George K | Apr 1 2009, 04:43 PM Post #1 |
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Finally
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Fuggedaboutit.
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Renauda | Apr 1 2009, 04:51 PM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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People are complaining about an increase in tobacco tax? Big effin' deal. Don't want to pay it? Quit smoking or chewing. Get a grip and get used to it folks. Tobacco and booze should be taxed to the roof. A pack of cigarettes here has been $11.00 (or $100.00 + PST and GST/carton of 200 cigarettes) for at least two or more years. |
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| Mark | Apr 1 2009, 05:17 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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We don't live there. |
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___.___ (_]===* o 0 When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells | |
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| Axtremus | Apr 1 2009, 05:24 PM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Diesel and gasoline too, for sure. |
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| John D'Oh | Apr 1 2009, 05:26 PM Post #5 |
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MAMIL
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I can't bring myself to get upset in the least about an increase in tax on the weed. It's a pro-life stance. |
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| Renauda | Apr 1 2009, 05:44 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Perhaps, you should. You might enjoy living in a working confederation. |
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| George K | Apr 1 2009, 05:58 PM Post #7 |
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I understand what you say. If the government wants to tax something, well, then they will. If you don't like it, change the government. But that's not the point. The point is that Obama said that he won't raise ANY taxes on people making less than $250K (or was it $200?). If you make less than that amount, and taxes on cigarettes go up, guess what? You paid more taxes. When I started smoking, I paid 35¢ for a pack of smokes (19¢ at the PX at the VA Hospital - no tax there, you know). I could get a carton for $3.20. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| John D'Oh | Apr 1 2009, 06:03 PM Post #8 |
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MAMIL
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Politicians always do this stuff. That great conservative doyenne Margaret Thatcher promised to reduce taxes. She did - she knocked 20% off the top rate of income tax....then she increased VAT (sales tax) to 17.5% (from 8% for 'luxury items' such as sanitary towels). Needless to say, I didn't see any tax reduction at all even though I didn't buy sanitary towels. Then again, I'd rather have stabbed my own eyes out with pencils than voted for the b!tch. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| Renauda | Apr 1 2009, 06:15 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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So Obama couldn't or wouldn't keep his campaign promise and raised taxes on tobacco. Happens all the time. Besides it's a luxury tax on the voluntary consumption of an unhealthy, addictive and regulated substance. Might help a few people see the wisdom behind quitting. |
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| John D'Oh | Apr 1 2009, 06:20 PM Post #10 |
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MAMIL
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So Obama is no longer the new Jimmy Carter. He's now the new George H.W. Bush. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| Jolly | Apr 1 2009, 06:43 PM Post #11 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Same bill Bush vetoed, Obama signed. I'm reminded of the nursing home resident...a guy who has smoked all his life. He's been in the facility for a little over two years. Long enough for the government to suck up his life savings and other assets, rendering him just another Medicaid recipient. As a Medicaid recipient, he gets $32/month for his personal use. Personal use being clothes, socks, underwear, toiletries, haircuts and an occasional pack of cigarettes. He hoards those cigarettes like a bag of gold nuggets, because they are one of his last pleasures...see, if the weather is nice, he likes to talk one of the aides into bringing him a cup of coffee, while he sits on the home's front veranda watching the world go by from his rocking chair throne and taking an occasional puff on one of his carefully hoarded cigarettes. Thank you, Mr. Obama, for sticking a tax knife through the little people...people who have a completely legal habit, but a habit which you think should be banned. Why don't you go back to helping run GM into the ground... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| George K | Apr 1 2009, 06:43 PM Post #12 |
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Nope, he hasn't puked on anyone yet. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Rainman | Apr 1 2009, 08:00 PM Post #13 |
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Fulla-Carp
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This is so wrong. The Government should subsidize smoking, cigs should be nearly free. That way, all the low income people (that are up for the free healthcare, or even now go to the ER) would die young. None of this "keep 'em alive" for years on a vent (that's EXPENSIVE!) , or giving them free healthcare including expensive prescriptions. They'd simply die off at a young age. Benefit to society if people would simply die quick, yes? Anyways. . . I'm waiting for another uplifting speech about my $13 per week in tax savings, it's been awhile. It will be like winning the lottery (a bit of sarcasm). AND, it will help offset the huge increase in cig taxes here in Oregon, beer tax, the quadrupling of the vehicle registration fees, proposed increases in gas tax, various construction-related permits, and any other fees related to interraction with government. And that $13/wk. . . It will also help at the grocery store. Just how stupid are we suppose to pretend to be?? |
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| Renauda | Apr 1 2009, 08:17 PM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Look at it this way Rainman, that extra $13.00 will now buy you a pack of smokes each week to help take the edge off your anxiety while you fume about the government. |
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| JoeB | Apr 1 2009, 11:08 PM Post #15 |
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Senior Carp
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Won't be the last promise to be broken. Anyone who actually believed an Illinios politician's promises is probably too dumb to vote. |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 1 2009, 11:58 PM Post #16 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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It should be banned. But since it's politically infeasible to ban it, tax the hell out of it. You of all people around here (George, too) should know the public costs of cigarette smoking. I find it curious to watch you get worked up about taxing people who smoke cigarettes for the eventual costs of health care related to smoking, but hey, it's your blood pressure, raise it any way you like. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Frank_W | Apr 2 2009, 12:41 AM Post #17 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Wow... Here, I thought Obama most resembled former president Carter, and now I find that he most resembles former president Bush Sr. ![]() ![]() He hasn't thrown up on anyone, but manhandling the Queen of England has got to rate right up there...
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| Mark | Apr 2 2009, 02:04 AM Post #18 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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What a bunch of BS! It should not be banned. And we should not tax the hell out of it. But then you are a control freak in the extreme. All at the expense of liberty that people have fought and died for. People who think like like you are extremely dangerous. |
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| Phlebas | Apr 2 2009, 02:13 AM Post #19 |
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Bull-Carp
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(Set your violin down on this.) Ok, skip the "Hearts and Flowers." My tax money is paying for this guy's smokes? I'll pick up his haircuts, clothes, toothpaste, etc. I don't think I should be paying for his coffin nails. So, if this guy wasn't hoarding his cigs - if, say, he could smoke as much as he wanted to - how much would he smoke? 1 pak, two packs a day? Instead of sitting on the veranda, he'd have been wheeled out the back door. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| George K | Apr 2 2009, 03:48 AM Post #20 |
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Probably more than anyone else here, I know the personal and societal costs of smoking. But in the big picture, it's cheaper for a society to have smokers. 1) They pay more taxes 2) They die earlier But that's not the point of this thread - at least it wasn't. The point was that Candidate Obama said he'd not raise taxes on the middle and lower classes. They are disproportionately more smokers than the upper class. Taxes going up. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| JBryan | Apr 2 2009, 03:56 AM Post #21 |
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There was a time in this country when the cost of freedom was significantly higher than some "public costs". |
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"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it". Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody. Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore. From The Lion in Winter. | |
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| QuantumIvory | Apr 2 2009, 04:08 AM Post #22 |
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Senior Carp
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So, who's buying Mr. Obama's cigarettes for him these days?
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"I regard consciousness as fundamental. We cannot get behind consciousness." -Max Planck | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 2 2009, 04:15 AM Post #23 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I have always felt the same about you, Mark. Your infantile reactions to the income tax and to the Federal Reserve system have always branded you as dangerously uninformed. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| John D'Oh | Apr 2 2009, 04:20 AM Post #24 |
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MAMIL
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There was also a time when people were smart enough not to confuse 'freedom' with the ability to afford either cigarettes or the 42" TV set, but not both. This thread is hilarious. |
| What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket? | |
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| QuirtEvans | Apr 2 2009, 04:21 AM Post #25 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I don't think you adequately account for the societal costs of secondhand smoke, George. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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