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Mocking religion.; Is it right?
Topic Started: Mar 27 2009, 09:19 AM (1,597 Views)
Copper
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Mar 28 2009, 06:14 AM

When you start bringing in colour of skin, homosexuality, nationality, these are things we cannot change.

I may take the micky out of my friend for wearing a horrendous shirt, but I wouldn't pick on them of they had excessively large ears..........

For most, religion comes from parents as much as big ears do.

Try telling Michael Jackson he can't change his color.

Try telling Mr. Obama he can't change his national origin.

Try telling Rock Hudson he can't change his preference.

If you want to indulge in rude behavior this pretense of sensitivity is kind of questionable.

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I think mocking religion ala Monty Python is fine, there's a lot to mock! But when you know someone is a person who holds religious beleifs and then create a conversation about what a crock that beleif is, that is getting personal...and shows a lack of respect. It also brings up another question, "What is one trying to accomplish" by mocking...is it supposed to change the minds of anyone? It seems like often the answer to the question is "to piss people off" To me that's a mean thing to do, not to mention a collosal waste of one's time and energy.

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TomK
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Mar 28 2009, 06:14 AM

When you start bringing in colour of skin, homosexuality, nationality, these are things we cannot change.

I may take the micky out of my friend for wearing a horrendous shirt, but I wouldn't pick on them of they had excessively large ears..........
You miss the point of mocking Blacks and gays--no one should certainly mock blacks for their skin color--people are born the way they are born--but one can certainly mock the Black "lifestyle" quite easily. Black music, black art, black morals, black economic failure, affermative action, etc. could be lampooned nicely.

Same with gays--though with gays I don't see that there is any conclusive evidence that gays are born that way--but in any even you certainly could mock the gay lifestyle. The drama over "gay marriage", the "artsie" attitudes, etc. All mockable.

Lifestyles are choices people make--much the same as religion. :)
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Mar 28 2009, 09:08 AM
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Mar 28 2009, 06:14 AM

When you start bringing in colour of skin, homosexuality, nationality, these are things we cannot change.

I may take the micky out of my friend for wearing a horrendous shirt, but I wouldn't pick on them of they had excessively large ears..........

For most, religion comes from parents as much as big ears do.

Try telling Michael Jackson he can't change his color.

Try telling Mr. Obama he can't change his national origin.

Try telling Rock Hudson he can't change his preference.

If you want to indulge in rude behavior this pretense of sensitivity is kind of questionable.

Exactly my point Copper, we agree on something. :thumb:

I just happen to feel that a person has a free choice to chose the beliefs they follow, I understand that our childhood upbringing greatly influences our choices, but they are still, our choice.
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So, are you Pro Choice, then?

(I just knew we could steer a religion conversation around to abortion sooner or later!!) :yesgrin: :devilgrin:
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Try another Thread Frank.....James Bond has just come on the tele!! ;)
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Mar 28 2009, 10:13 AM
Try another Thread Frank.....James Bond has just come on the tele!! ;)
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WI, I'm just trying to figure out where you get your concept of right and wrong (i.e. "Mocking Religion, Is is Right?" if you reject any kind of world view outside of naturalism. Or are you not really concerned and only using such antiquated and obsolete terminology for those of us still in the dark?
We're all mad here!
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I've nothing to contribute :( . My mind is so fcvked now I've problems reading much more than a few paragraphs. I can't lurk or participate like I used to :( .

I just wanted to butt in for a second to say Hi to Wacki & Carp. :wave:
I'm real glad you & people are encouraging these discussions here!

You 2 rock!

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WI, I'm just trying to figure out where you get your concept of right and wrong


By in large the same place you do.
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Mar 28 2009, 11:12 AM
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Mar 28 2009, 10:13 AM
Try another Thread Frank.....James Bond has just come on the tele!! ;)
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u o me a nu keyboard, D'Oh... :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: A new classic.
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There's a Chinese restaurant, the Wong Gai, here in town. An accountant just a few doors away, had a phone number just one digit off from the restaurant, and when he first set up his website, it accidentally listed the restaurant's phone number. The owner of the restaurant kept getting calls for the accountant, and he kept telling the callers, "No, no, you got the Wong Gai!"



(with apologies to the Wong Gei, an actual restaurant here in town. I suppose there's a possible joke there, too)
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Mar 28 2009, 09:08 AM
For most, religion comes from parents as much as big ears do.



What physical characteristics you are born with are not in the same category as religious beliefs. One is physical, you have no choice in the matter. Religion is a choice. Yes, what your parents believe will probably be with you as you grow up, but by the time you are an adult you have the ability to think for yourself, and make your own decisions as to what to believe.
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Mar 28 2009, 12:26 PM
There's a Chinese restaurant, the Wong Gai, here in town. An accountant just a few doors away, had a phone number just one digit off from the restaurant, and when he first set up his website, it accidentally listed the restaurant's phone number. The owner of the restaurant kept getting calls for the accountant, and he kept telling the callers, "No, no, you got the Wong Gai!"



(with apologies to the Wong Gei, an actual restaurant here in town. I suppose there's a possible joke there, too)
Lauren is playing Mrs. Harcourt, the social climbing mother, in the Cole Porter show 'Anything Goes' this weekend. That show, written in the early 30's has some SERIOUS Asian stereotypes, almost akin to a minstrel show. I'm surprised we're not getting picketed.
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Mar 28 2009, 12:29 PM
Copper
Mar 28 2009, 09:08 AM
For most, religion comes from parents as much as big ears do.



What physical characteristics you are born with are not in the same category as religious beliefs. One is physical, you have no choice in the matter. Religion is a choice. Yes, what your parents believe will probably be with you as you grow up, but by the time you are an adult you have the ability to think for yourself, and make your own decisions as to what to believe.
Edit-This would have erupted into a full blown flame war, as well as put me on two or three ignore lists.
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OK, I'll do it for you, LD. At this stage of the civil rights game, it is not any minority group's appearance that brings objection. It is how the public perceives their behavior. And that is, in every case I can think of, a choice.
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Mar 28 2009, 12:53 PM
OK, I'll do it for you, LD. At this stage of the civil rights game, it is not any minority group's appearance that brings objection. It is how the public perceives their behavior. And that is, in every case I can think of, a choice.
Or at least as much a choice as religion is for many people.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Mar 28 2009, 09:08 AM
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Mar 28 2009, 06:14 AM

When you start bringing in colour of skin, homosexuality, nationality, these are things we cannot change.

I may take the micky out of my friend for wearing a horrendous shirt, but I wouldn't pick on them of they had excessively large ears..........

For most, religion comes from parents as much as big ears do.
That single simple fact pretty much destroys the concept of an all loving God who judges us on whether we subscribe to the correct religion.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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TomK
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Horace
Mar 28 2009, 01:26 PM
Copper
Mar 28 2009, 09:08 AM
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Mar 28 2009, 06:14 AM

When you start bringing in colour of skin, homosexuality, nationality, these are things we cannot change.

I may take the micky out of my friend for wearing a horrendous shirt, but I wouldn't pick on them of they had excessively large ears..........

For most, religion comes from parents as much as big ears do.
That single simple fact pretty much destroys the concept of an all loving God who judges us on whether we subscribe to the correct religion.
As if genitics is the only way to pass on anything.

Certainly our civilization isn't "genetic." Maybe our knowledge of God isn't either. Religion always said it was passed on by word of mouth.

Straw man here.
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Mar 28 2009, 01:36 PM
Certainly our civilization isn't "genetic." Maybe our knowledge of God isn't either. Religion always said it was passed on by word of mouth.

Straw man here.
No, it's not a straw man. Very few people change religions from the one they were brought up in. Therefore, if Christians are the only ones going to heaven, as is claimed, someone who is brought up in a Hindu community for example has a much lower probability of avoiding eternal hellfire.

You can ignore all talk of 'genetics', since 'inherit' doesn't imply a genetic link, just a parental one, which is clearly demonstrable.
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I did. I found Christianity utterly untenable with what I knew in my heart. I tried to be a good Christian. I really did... I prayed and prayed, read my Bible, really studied, asked for wisdom, insight, and guidance...

In return, I got silence. Even when I was actively suicidal. The Christian God couldn't be arsed.

On my last night as a Christian, I lay in bed in the dark, my face swelling from the beating that my father had just finished administering, and sobbing my guts out, told God to get the fcuk out of my life, and that I would live and die on my own terms, and if He/She/IT decided to lend a hand, fine. If not, fine.

:sing: That's me in the spot... light.... Losing my religion... :sing:
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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TomK
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Mar 28 2009, 02:37 PM
I did. I found Christianity utterly untenable with what I knew in my heart. I tried to be a good Christian. I really did... I prayed and prayed, read my Bible, really studied, asked for wisdom, insight, and guidance...

In return, I got silence. Even when I was actively suicidal. The Christian God couldn't be arsed.

On my last night as a Christian, I lay in bed in the dark, my face swelling from the beating that my father had just finished administering, and sobbing my guts out, told God to get the fcuk out of my life, and that I would live and die on my own terms, and if He/She/IT decided to lend a hand, fine. If not, fine.

:sing: That's me in the spot... light.... Losing my religion... :sing:
I can't argue with a word you say, Frank.

God bless you. At other times and in other threads I might take issue with similar comments--but for here and now and because it's your personal experience--I can do nothing other than wish you the best of all that God has to offer on your spiritual journey.

And I can assure you this--you are loved--by God, and by some of his crappy servants.

Good post, Brother.
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Religion is acquired culturally. Contrary to a current popular theory I do not think humans are genetically hardwired towards religion. I therefore highly doubt that religious or spiritual yearning is genetic. That is not to say however that an individual may or may not have character and behavioral traits that predispose them towards religious beliefs and the sense of community that religious devotion offers.
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TomK
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Mar 28 2009, 02:52 PM
Religion is acquired culturally. Contrary to a current popular theory I do not think humans are genetically hardwired towards religion. I therefore highly doubt that religious or spiritual yearning is genetic. That is not to say however that an individual may or may not have character and behavioral traits that predispose them towards religious beliefs and the sense of community that religious devotion offers.
Agreed.

No different from an African-American (or Polish-American for that matter) becomming a (self titled) "Nigger."

It's the culture that we should mock--not that ethnic identity.
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Thanks, Tom. I do believe in a God of love. As I've matured spiritually, I think I've got an idea of where I'm aiming and an idea of how to get there. It's been a hard and rocky path, though. But it's been mine, and it's been real, and I feel that I've drawn closer to God.

Where I eventually end up, well... I've done my best to heed the dictates of my conscience. I've been the best man I can possibly be. At the end of it all, if God ends up being such a bastard that I am to be condemned to Hell, then so be it. That ain't the kind of God I care to spend eternity with, anyway.
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