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Mocking religion.; Is it right?
Topic Started: Mar 27 2009, 09:19 AM (1,598 Views)
Frank_W
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And that's what I said earlier, PL. There is a shade of difference between finding humor in something, and flat-out mocking something out of meanness. :thumb:
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TomK
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I kind of agree with Tom. If we can't laugh at ourselves, we're screwed. But mocking is stereotyping and you just have to be careful that you don't live your stereotypes. There are a lot of sick wives out there who though they would never end up HIV-positive because they never dreamed their man was getting boned by other men on the "dl" and eschewing condoms because only gays get AIDS, right?

Mocking is cut from the same cloth. There's a fine line between funny and harmful.



Frank_W
Mar 27 2009, 06:21 PM
And that's what I said earlier, PL. There is a shade of difference between finding humor in something, and flat-out mocking something out of meanness. :thumb:
Eactly right. :thumb:

The difference between mocking and "humor" is who's ox is being gored.
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Mar 27 2009, 06:14 PM
. . . There are a lot of sick wives out there who though they would never end up HIV-positive because they never dreamed their man was getting boned by other men on the "dl" and eschewing condoms because only gays get AIDS, right?
PL, what is "on the dl"?
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Frank_W
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"down low."
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TomK
Mar 27 2009, 06:22 PM
The difference between mocking and "humor" is who's ox is being gored.
I disagree.
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TomK
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Frank_W
Mar 27 2009, 06:35 PM
TomK
Mar 27 2009, 06:22 PM
The difference between mocking and "humor" is who's ox is being gored.
I disagree.
Well?
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Frank_W
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Well, obviously, we disagree.

There are some here, who mock peoples' beliefs, but do it in a mean-spirited way. It's not funny and it's not the least bit respectful, kind, or even respectful of the person. It borders on personally insulting and is purposely incendiary.

There are some who can make a joke or find the irony in a situation, but without making it a personal attack or a full-on condemnation of adherents to a particular religious belief.

So yeah, I do think there's a difference. It's like the difference between pr0n and erotica: I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.
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TomK
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Frank_W
Mar 27 2009, 06:45 PM
Well, obviously, we disagree.

There are some here, who mock peoples' beliefs, but do it in a mean-spirited way. It's not funny and it's not the least bit respectful, kind, or even respectful of the person. It borders on personally insulting and is purposely incendiary.

There are some who can make a joke or find the irony in a situation, but without making it a personal attack or full-on condemnation of adherents to a particular religious belief.

So yeah, I do think there's a difference. It's like the difference between pr0n and erotica: I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.
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;) You dig, man. :thumb:
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Pianolicious
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Don't get me wrong. I try to see the humor or irony in everything, even when it hits close to home -- like this:

AYDS DIET PLAN COMMERICAL

Seeing the humor or irony in something takes the awkwardness out of the subject and helps me address it objectively.

Sit tibi vita longa et omnia bona!!! -- Dr. Spock
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kenny
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How funny.
I love dark humor.
I forgot about AYDS.

My sister bought those back in the 70s. LOL.
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Frank_W
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:lol2: OMG... What an unfortunate name they picked for their diet plan. :lol:
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TomK
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Mar 27 2009, 06:58 PM
Don't get me wrong. I try to see the humor or irony in everything, even when it hits close to home -- like this:

AYDS DIET PLAN COMMERICAL

Seeing the humor or irony in something takes the awkwardness out of the subject and helps me address it objectively.

You miss the point, though. If you are going to make fun of religion--for no point at all, besides the fun of it, then dead gay guys should be the next topic on the list.

Not to get "meaning" from it--but just to make fun of those dying a-holes. :D :D :D

Making fun of people that are disagree with us is a hoot. :wave:
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John D'Oh
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What is getting missed here is that when it comes to mockery, certain groups are much, *much* easier targets than others.

'Mock everyone equally' is all well and good in this politically correct Utopia some wish to live in, but low-hanging fruit is *always* going to get plucked.

Where is Mik, anyway?

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TomK
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Mar 27 2009, 07:34 PM
What is getting missed here is that when it comes to mockery, certain groups are much, *much* easier targets than others.

'Mock everyone equally' is all well and good in this politically correct Utopia some wish to live in, but low-hanging fruit is *always* going to get plucked.

Where is Mik, anyway?

(j/k)
Well, that's an ambiguous post.

So who's the "low hanging fruit?"

The idiot church's that preach their holiness but can't can't their hands off of young boys or the idiot Blacks that say they are as smart whites but can't pass a standardized test?
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So Tom I went to a Chinese restaurant tonight. I never know whether to ask for brown rice or "rice of color."
Sit tibi vita longa et omnia bona!!! -- Dr. Spock
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Mar 27 2009, 07:44 PM
John D'Oh
Mar 27 2009, 07:34 PM
What is getting missed here is that when it comes to mockery, certain groups are much, *much* easier targets than others.

'Mock everyone equally' is all well and good in this politically correct Utopia some wish to live in, but low-hanging fruit is *always* going to get plucked.

Where is Mik, anyway?

(j/k)
Well, that's an ambiguous post.

So who's the "low hanging fruit?"

The idiot church's that preach their holiness but can't can't their hands off of young boys or the idiot Blacks that say they are as smart whites but can't pass a standardized test?
There's low hanging fruit everywhere, Tom, if you know where to look.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Mar 27 2009, 07:53 PM
There's low hanging fruit everywhere, Tom, if you know where to look.
Under the high hanging fruit. Duh?
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I told the Chinese chef that the chicken was rubbery. He said, "Sank you! Sank you belly much!"
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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kenny
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The name is "Sang-Q"

No joke.
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Two Wongs can make a white! Wong Brothers Laundry!
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Frank_W
Mar 28 2009, 05:35 AM
I told the Chinese chef that the chicken was rubbery. He said, "Sank you! Sank you belly much!"
Now that's damn funny.
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ummm...guys, just wanted to clarify something with you, when we talk of religion, it is a held belief, a chosen viewpoint, made, we hope, from an informed decision and personal taste, like our political leanings, choice of house colour, and open to query, question, and at times, mockery, as in humour, free to change our ideals at any time due to new information, sudden epiphany, or reaction to something occurring in our lives or just a learning curve...

When you start bringing in colour of skin, homosexuality, nationality, these are things we cannot change.

I may take the micky out of my friend for wearing a horrendous shirt, but I wouldn't pick on them of they had excessively large ears..........

A friend may wear a shirt, I may think it's horrendous, and tell them so, but they can just say, its my shirt, I like it and blow a raspberry at me, thats cool. They may thank me for letting them know how horrendous it is, and say 'what was I thinking putting that on tonight?? Thats also cool.We may argue about the latest style and why they love the shirt, or that the wife bought it for them (head hung low look) Or that they thought it was all the rage when they bought it..... 30 years ago.They may look at my dress and say, GOD your bum looks HUGE in that! and I may laugh, or cry, or go and change, thats also cool. As long as they don't try and make me put on their shirt!

Our beliefs are a choice, and if we truly believe, we should be happy to explain the depths of our faiths and why we love them so without getting defensive, happy to share our thoughts with others, that they may learn something from them even if they don't take our beliefs as their own. If people mock something they don't believe why do we find this surprising? If your boss or work colleague or the guy at the bar started spouting about the tooth fairy, whom you have given up believing in a long time ago, would you enter into a heated high brow debate about the 'proof' of his statement and what he had to back it up and where did it state..blah blah blah.(ok ok Tom is excluded from this bit as he would, just for the sheer twisted pleasure lol ).or would you more likely in a soft way want to nod gently, check what he was drinking and smile?

'Ahmed the dead terrorist' and humour like this, seriously mocks a belief, deep held by many, but does it harm anyone?

Each to their own, but I feel our choices can be held up to us, the world is never going to have the same choice, thats what makes life so interesting.
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TomK
Mar 27 2009, 05:34 PM
If we are going to mock--then let's freakin' MOCK! :thumb:
I'm with you. And there are entire races, nationalities and ethnicities we haven't started in on yet. :lol2:
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Let's Mock & LOL!
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