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Mocking religion.; Is it right?
Topic Started: Mar 27 2009, 09:19 AM (1,594 Views)
Wacki Iraqi
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Should religion be mocked? What is safe mocking territory? Where does making a mockery of a silly idea become harmful, and where does it help raise our consciousness from backwards even maybe harmful ideals? It seems perfectly reasonable to mock the church of the flying spaghetti monster to me.......it's perfectly open to ridicule isn't it?
You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further.
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Horace
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I think it's the most easily mockable thing in the world, but I find mocking it to be distasteful. Not that I get too upset about it either way.

The idea that religion does so much harm is a pretty wild extrapolation though. People will find ways to engage in destructive groupthink whether it involves religion or not.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Frank_W
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It may not be wrong, but it is unkind, rude, and distasteful to mock people's beliefs right in front of them. What good can possibly come of something like that?

Are you familiar with Aesop's Fable of the Sun & The Wind? :)
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Frank_W
Mar 27 2009, 09:24 AM
It may not be wrong, but it is unkind, rude, and distasteful to mock people's beliefs right in front of them. What good can possibly come of something like that?

Are you familiar with Aesop's Fable of the Sun & The Wind? :)
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
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kenny
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Define mocking.
Mocking is in the eye of the beholder.

I've felt mocked here about things.
I'm sure the mockers do not consider the posting of their perspective to be mocking.
They are just posting what they consider to be true.

We all want to teach each other a lesson.
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Wacki Iraqi
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A friend of mine visited a third world country with his new girlfriend recently. He told me the story of how crazy he went at a hotel worker because the fridge in his room didn't keep the champagne cold enough. I mocked him for an hour. He was talking to some guy on $1 a day about the hell of chilling champagne. Contrast and perspective showed no other picture.
You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further.
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I think religion should be mocked just as much as politics or anything else. There should be no special dispensation for views just because they are irrational.
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Frank_W
Mar 27 2009, 09:24 AM
It may not be wrong, but it is unkind, rude, and distasteful to mock people's beliefs right in front of them. What good can possibly come of something like that?
Getting cheap laughs, obviously! Jeez, Frank, get with the program, this is the internet!

:P
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Wacki Iraqi
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Mar 27 2009, 09:39 AM
I think religion should be mocked just as much as much as politics or anything else. There should be no special dispensation for views just because they are irrational.
Yes, totally. Then the question only really remains.....does mocking anything serve good purpose?
You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further.
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Wacki Iraqi
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To mock......to laugh at something. I know this serves good purpose, therefore............
You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further.
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Horace
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It's possible to shame people into not believing something, or it's possible that it backfires and galvanizes/intensifies/radicalizes their belief. It's a pretty subtle thing, who knows whether it does any good.

But humor is good. So if it's funny enough then it's probably ok.
As a good person, I implore you to do as I, a good person, do. Be good. Do NOT be bad. If you see bad, end bad. End it in yourself, and end it in others. By any means necessary, the good must conquer the bad. Good people know this. Do you know this? Are you good?
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Wacki Iraqi
Mar 27 2009, 09:47 AM
Moonbat
Mar 27 2009, 09:39 AM
I think religion should be mocked just as much as much as politics or anything else. There should be no special dispensation for views just because they are irrational.
Yes, totally. Then the question only really remains.....does mocking anything serve good purpose?

It helps to identify unkind, rude people with poor taste.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Speaking just for myself, and since I've been accused on more than one occasion of mocking religion and other things such as people's politics - it really isn't my intent. I don't like the idea of mockery really - there's a line between having a bit of a laugh, poking a bit of fun if you will, and truly mocking someone for their beliefs. It's a line I sometimes cross, and I know I shouldn't, because let's face it, it's not very nice.

So, to answer the question, no, it's not really OK, but there's a difference between ribbing and mocking, and it's not always very easy to tell which one is what one, or the other way round, in the words of Doctor Seuss.
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One should not mock people for any strong convictions they have, be they religious, political, or otherwise.

That's just a matter of very basic civility.
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Mar 27 2009, 10:01 AM
One should not mock people for any strong convictions they have, be they religious, political, or otherwise.
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Renauda
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Mar 27 2009, 09:51 AM
It helps to identify unkind, rude people with poor taste.
Indeed it does. Let's start with televangelists such as the Benny Hinns, Pat Robertsons and Jimmy Swaggarts of the material world.
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Renauda
Mar 27 2009, 10:24 AM
Copper
Mar 27 2009, 09:51 AM
It helps to identify unkind, rude people with poor taste.
Indeed it does. Let's start with televangelists such as the Benny Hinns, Pat Robertsons and Jimmy Swaggarts of the material world.
Then we could throw in the insensitive clod who wrote the article in the 'irony' thread.
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Wacki - as others have mentioned here, it's common courtesy to respect someone else's views, even if you disagree and even if you think they are ridiculous. It's the mature, civil thing to do.

Of course if someone's views are actually hurting someone else (or something along those lines) then of course you have a growing responsibility to stand up against it.

Finally, the question about mocking one religion vs mocking the church of the flying spaghetti monster...is honestly a question not worth answering. Everyone on this board, young and old, should have a basic idea of when one religion is purposefully made-up vs another idea that has a rich history and a significant, honest, following.
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Renauda
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sue
Mar 27 2009, 10:30 AM
Renauda
Mar 27 2009, 10:24 AM
Copper
Mar 27 2009, 09:51 AM
It helps to identify unkind, rude people with poor taste.
Indeed it does. Let's start with televangelists such as the Benny Hinns, Pat Robertsons and Jimmy Swaggarts of the material world.
Then we could throw in the insensitive clod who wrote the article in the 'irony' thread.
Good idea and let's be sure we don't let Freddy Phelps and his ilk fall too too far down the priority target list.
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Wacki Iraqi
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Mar 27 2009, 10:33 AM
Wacki - as others have mentioned here, it's common courtesy to respect someone else's views, even if you disagree and even if you think they are ridiculous. It's the mature, civil thing to do.

Of course if someone's views are actually hurting someone else (or something along those lines) then of course you have a growing responsibility to stand up against it.

Finally, the question about mocking one religion vs mocking the church of the flying spaghetti monster...is honestly a question not worth answering. Everyone on this board, young and old, should have a basic idea of when one religion is purposefully made-up vs another idea that has a rich history and a significant, honest, following.
:rolleyes2:
You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further.
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Wacki Iraqi
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Mar 27 2009, 10:33 AM
Wacki - as others have mentioned here, it's common courtesy to respect someone else's views, even if you disagree and even if you think they are ridiculous. It's the mature, civil thing to do.

Of course if someone's views are actually hurting someone else (or something along those lines) then of course you have a growing responsibility to stand up against it.

Finally, the question about mocking one religion vs mocking the church of the flying spaghetti monster...is honestly a question not worth answering. Everyone on this board, young and old, should have a basic idea of when one religion is purposefully made-up vs another idea that has a rich history and a significant, honest, following.
Oh, I see 89, new ideas aren't withstanding? I must say with some irony, I find your posts the most mocking and mockable.
You're an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.........I just go one God further.
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Please, have some idea of what you're talking about before you open up your keyboard.
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Red Rice
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If you feel an idea is ridiculous, feel free to mock away. Just try not to let it get personal, and don't be thin-skinned when your cherished beliefs are the target.
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

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John D'Oh
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Renauda
Mar 27 2009, 10:38 AM
sue
Mar 27 2009, 10:30 AM
Renauda
Mar 27 2009, 10:24 AM
Copper
Mar 27 2009, 09:51 AM
It helps to identify unkind, rude people with poor taste.
Indeed it does. Let's start with televangelists such as the Benny Hinns, Pat Robertsons and Jimmy Swaggarts of the material world.
Then we could throw in the insensitive clod who wrote the article in the 'irony' thread.
Good idea and let's be sure we don't let Freddy Phelps and his ilk fall too too far down the priority target list.
Indeed, let not our natural tendency to be respectful of a religion detract from our God-given right to laugh at the fatuous moron who happens to hold those beliefs.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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