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One For Larry; A Liberal Global Warming Skeptic
Topic Started: Mar 26 2009, 06:46 AM (297 Views)
QuirtEvans
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?hp
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Kincaid
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HOLY CARP!!!
On a related note, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) wants to ban black-painted cars in California. Oh, and Obama envisions a day when every home will have a monitoring system to tell the homeowner when they are using too much electricity, when the off-peak hours are, and the like.
Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006.
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Aqua Letifer
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ZOOOOOM!
Kincaid
Mar 26 2009, 08:56 AM
On a related note, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) wants to ban black-painted cars in California. Oh, and Obama envisions a day when every home will have a monitoring system to tell the homeowner when they are using too much electricity, when the off-peak hours are, and the like.
How are those terms defined?
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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ivorythumper
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
Kincaid
Mar 26 2009, 08:56 AM
Obama envisions a day when every home will have a monitoring system to tell the homeowner when they are using too much electricity, when the off-peak hours are, and the like.
Wouldn't it be better if the energy police were notified? I am sure that can be arranged.
The dogma lives loudly within me.
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Kincaid
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HOLY CARP!!!
Dang! Where do you find these eight page articles? I'll have to try and come back later to read it all. This is the same fellow that theorized the possibility of an energy collecting spherical structure surrounding the sun to capture most of it's energy, which helped give Larry Niven the idea for Ringworld, probably my all-time favorite sci-fi novel.
Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006.
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Kincaid
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HOLY CARP!!!
Aqua Letifer
Mar 26 2009, 09:17 AM
Kincaid
Mar 26 2009, 08:56 AM
On a related note, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) wants to ban black-painted cars in California. Oh, and Obama envisions a day when every home will have a monitoring system to tell the homeowner when they are using too much electricity, when the off-peak hours are, and the like.
How are those terms defined?
Hard to say. Obama has a healthy disconnect for the details. He decries AIG bonuses but has no problem showing off his multi-thousand dollar play structure for his kids.
Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006.
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big al
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What an interesting article about an extraordinarily interesting man.

I found this tidbit delightful: "...members gather each summer near San Diego to work on (often) classified (usually) scientific dilemmas of (frequently) military interest to the government." I don't think I ever saw parentheses used any better except perhaps in a story related to me by a Brit who used to spend off-hours with his mates in a pub amusing themselves by speaking in couplets. The one that stuck in his mind and he related to me was uttered by a bloke on observing a bowlegged man entering the pub:
"Prithee, what matter of man is this?
"Who carries his balls in parenthesis."

I'm surprised that there's not a better understanding of the smart grid concept. Basically, there is much more electrical capacity required to meet the demands for electricity at peak periods than is required on average throughout the day and night. The smart grid proposes to make power available for uses such as heating water, recharging plug-in cars, drying clothes, etc. at cheaper rates when demand is lower, thereby incentivizing users to shift demand that is not required at a particular instant to "off-peak" times and reducing the required system capacity for a given average load.

It's a concept that has already been in use for quite some time for major users such as arc furnaces for steel production, electrolytic copper refineries, and aluminum smelters applied on a much broader scale. It also has the promise of allowing renewable sources such as photovoltaic and wind energy to play a bigger role in supplying the electrical grid without unacceptable sacrifices in reliability.

Big Al
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"jesu, der simcha fun der man's farlangen."
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Kincaid
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HOLY CARP!!!
I have no problem with that concept, I just don't want to see gov't intervention in the form of mandated control over the individual homeowner. Besides, aren't we smart enough to act accordingly w/the info available?
Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006.
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1hp
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The concept is interesting, but the current implementation sucks.

1. Why would anyone purchase an air conditioner? To cool ones home, of course.

2. When would you most need an air conditioner? When it is hottest outside.

3. When does the peak load usually occur on your local electrical grid? When the outside temperatures are highest.

4. If the utility has controls on your a/c unit (which they have been installing in San Diego for years), when do you think they are going to cycle power to your air conditioning unit?


Here's another problem - houses with large families ten to do multiple loads of wash a day. If the requirement is to have off peak power used to run the washer and dryer, and off peak occurs after 8pm, how late will you have to stay up to run all the loads that you want to run?

On a separate note, it is beyond me why it is legally permissible for home owner associations to ban any kind of drying of laundry on a washing line. Think how much poewr could be not used, if one could just hang their clothes on a line to dry.
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Instead of putting all our eggs in one basket, why not have a smart architecture movement. Better designed buildings require less electricity to heat/cool and illuminate.
There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that understand binary and................
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