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Obama not doing so well in the polls?
Topic Started: Feb 27 2009, 03:29 AM (1,139 Views)
Larry
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JBryan
Feb 27 2009, 12:54 PM
They might even show shots of him walking over there.
Nah... it'll have two pictures of Bush - one looking like a chimp, and one standing on that ship with the banner behind him....

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JBryan
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I was talking about Obama.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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JBryan
Feb 27 2009, 01:01 PM
I was talking about Obama.
Do they have enough water for him to walk on?
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Larry
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Ah.

He will by then be Dear Leader, and will be shown floating over there.....
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Wasn't he already floating in a German parade the other day?
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JBryan
Feb 27 2009, 12:52 PM
You make a wild ass statement about Bush's approval ratings and back it up with 2008 stats?

Bush was hated by Democrats from day 1. I am sure there were some who supported him in the beginning but not the substantial number you are trying to flog.
I doubt that the demographics insofar as party affiliation were that much different then. The basic assumption, i.e., that high approval ratings require substantial support from people not affiliated with your party still holds.

How could Bush have had such high approval ratings as president if he didn't have a base of Democratic support? In other words, a huge number of people who didn't vote for him came around and rallied for him after he was elected. They gave him a chance.
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JBryan
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Because he had support from most of the Republicand and Independents. His support from Democrats was nil at the beginning of his presidency and anyone who says otherwise has a poor memory or was living in a cave.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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That makes no sense. If Bush's Jan 01 approval rating was 62%, and if 39% of the electorate were Democrats, 35% Republicans and 27% independents, not only every single R, but also every single I would have contribute to that approval rating to get to the 62%. And since, probably at least halfa of the I's lean R, you're just as likely to draw on the support of less committed Ds than strong D-leaning I's. It's almost a no brainer that with an approval rating that high, a substantial portion of that support is going to be coming from the other side.

Anecdotally, I know a lot of Ds who initially (post-election) supported Bush; even more so after 9-11. JF was one of them.

Another source of 2000 electoral stats
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Just remember - this was the person who knew all about the "palestinians" too....


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I hate to tell you this, Kathy, but JF told me he was 75% Republican. How well do you know him? ;)
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brenda
Feb 27 2009, 04:00 PM
I hate to tell you this, Kathy, but JF told me he was 75% Republican. How well do you know him? ;)
The 25% presumably includes his brain.
What do you mean "we", have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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You are attempting to take stats on how voters identify themselves and their voting patterns and extrapolate that into approval ratings. Voters behave very differently with regard to evaluating the president's performance from who they would support in an election. Republicans and Democrats tend to be less forgiving of the opposite party's president while Independents tend to, initially, give the president the benefit of the doubt and support him whatever party he is from no matter who they voted for. An additional complicating factor was the circumstances of the 2000 election which polarized Republicans and democrats like no other time before.You can continue to assert that Democrats lined up in support of Bush post-election in 2001 but you are making yourself look foolish in the process. Even today, Obama has relatively high approval but very little of that is coming from Republicans. And that is without the complicating factor I mentioned above.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116077/Obama-Job-Approval-Dips-Below-First-Time.aspx
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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John D'Oh
Feb 27 2009, 04:03 PM
brenda
Feb 27 2009, 04:00 PM
I hate to tell you this, Kathy, but JF told me he was 75% Republican. How well do you know him? ;)
The 25% presumably includes his brain.
:tsktsk:

And I am soooo nice to you, John. (It's 6:13 now.)

Is this the thanks I get?
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brenda
Feb 27 2009, 04:00 PM
I hate to tell you this, Kathy, but JF told me he was 75% Republican. How well do you know him? ;)
That's just because he was flirting with you.
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kathyk
Feb 27 2009, 04:14 PM
brenda
Feb 27 2009, 04:00 PM
I hate to tell you this, Kathy, but JF told me he was 75% Republican. How well do you know him? ;)
That's just because he was flirting with you.
kathy, I'm 75% Democrat. ;)
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Feb 27 2009, 04:14 PM
brenda
Feb 27 2009, 04:00 PM
I hate to tell you this, Kathy, but JF told me he was 75% Republican. How well do you know him? ;)
That's just because he was flirting with you.
I'll bet he got over that notion pretty quick when I told him I'm 75% skinny, but it's hard to tell because of the other 25%. :lol2:
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JBryan
Feb 27 2009, 04:09 PM
You are attempting to take stats on how voters identify themselves and their voting patterns and extrapolate that into approval ratings. Voters behave very differently with regard to evaluating the president's performance from who they would support in an election. Republicans and Democrats tend to be less forgiving of the opposite party's president while Independents tend to, initially, give the president the benefit of the doubt and support him whatever party he is from no matter who they voted for. An additional complicating factor was the circumstances of the 2000 election which polarized Republicans and democrats like no other time before.You can continue to assert that Democrats lined up in support of Bush post-election in 2001 but you are making yourself look foolish in the process. Even today, Obama has relatively high approval but very little of that is coming from Republicans. And that is without the complicating factor I mentioned above.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116077/Obama-Job-Approval-Dips-Below-First-Time.aspx
I would love to see that same break down for 2001. I'd stake a bet that the Dems gave Bush higher approval ratings than the the paltry 37% from the Pubs for Obama.

And, how do you explain Bush's approval rating hovering in the 40s in Jan. of 2005? Doesn't quite square with your reasoning.
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Feb 27 2009, 04:15 PM
kathyk
Feb 27 2009, 04:14 PM
brenda
Feb 27 2009, 04:00 PM
I hate to tell you this, Kathy, but JF told me he was 75% Republican. How well do you know him? ;)
That's just because he was flirting with you.
kathy, I'm 75% Democrat. ;)
You know I'm easy Tom. :heart:
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kathyk
Feb 27 2009, 04:23 PM
TomK
Feb 27 2009, 04:15 PM
kathyk
Feb 27 2009, 04:14 PM
brenda
Feb 27 2009, 04:00 PM
I hate to tell you this, Kathy, but JF told me he was 75% Republican. How well do you know him? ;)
That's just because he was flirting with you.
kathy, I'm 75% Democrat. ;)
You know I'm easy Tom. :heart:
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kathyk
Feb 27 2009, 04:23 PM
JBryan
Feb 27 2009, 04:09 PM
You are attempting to take stats on how voters identify themselves and their voting patterns and extrapolate that into approval ratings. Voters behave very differently with regard to evaluating the president's performance from who they would support in an election. Republicans and Democrats tend to be less forgiving of the opposite party's president while Independents tend to, initially, give the president the benefit of the doubt and support him whatever party he is from no matter who they voted for. An additional complicating factor was the circumstances of the 2000 election which polarized Republicans and democrats like no other time before.You can continue to assert that Democrats lined up in support of Bush post-election in 2001 but you are making yourself look foolish in the process. Even today, Obama has relatively high approval but very little of that is coming from Republicans. And that is without the complicating factor I mentioned above.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116077/Obama-Job-Approval-Dips-Below-First-Time.aspx
I would love to see that same break down for 2001. I'd stake a bet that the Dems gave Bush higher approval ratings than the the paltry 37% from the Pubs for Obama.

And, how do you explain Bush's approval rating hovering in the 40s in Jan. of 2005? Doesn't quite square with your reasoning.
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I would love to see that same break down for 2001. I'd stake a bet that the Dems gave Bush higher approval ratings than the the paltry 37% from the Pubs for Obama.


Actually, the "Pubs" gave Obama a paltry 27% approval rating if you read correctly what I posted.

I would gladly take that bet on a 27% rating.

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And, how do you explain Bush's approval rating hovering in the 40s in Jan. of 2005? Doesn't quite square with your reasoning.


I don't understand your reasoning here. That would be about where he would be if most Independents abandoned him. The Democrats and Republicans generally amount to a wash until it gets far below (or above) this.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Larry
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Nah.. can't do it.....
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Nor could I.
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TomK
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Hey, I don't step on your posts. I asked for kathy's comment-I got it. Neither of you guys were invited. Now go your own way.

Talk politics as you may--don't get into my personal life...

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