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Obama not doing so well in the polls?
Topic Started: Feb 27 2009, 03:29 AM (1,140 Views)
ivorythumper
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kathyk
Feb 27 2009, 07:14 AM
His relatively high approval rating shortly after his election would not have been possible had it not been for a lot of "forgiving" Dems who were willing to give him a chance.
As JB has noted in the past, you say the darnest things.
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Feb 27 2009, 07:49 AM
Am I the only one here who can't really tell the difference between Republicans and Democrats?
No, they're both make-believe fabrications of the same distorted reality called politics. But it's true, they do speak funnily and start their sentences in the middle and work towards the beginning and end simultaneously.
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Kathy, I bet you were also one of those who had those moronic "Re-defeat Bush in 2004!" bumper stickers, right? :wink:
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ooh! ooh! I know the answer to that question, teacher!

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Feb 27 2009, 11:47 AM
Kathy, I bet you were also one of those who had those moronic "Re-defeat Bush in 2004!" bumper stickers, right? :wink:
Guess again. The only bumper stickers I gum up my car with are the proud-about-my-kidlets ones.
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Ok, there's still hope for you then! :sombrero:
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Feb 27 2009, 11:41 AM
kathyk
Feb 27 2009, 07:14 AM
His relatively high approval rating shortly after his election would not have been possible had it not been for a lot of "forgiving" Dems who were willing to give him a chance.
As JB has noted in the past, you say the darnest things.
What's so ridiculous about that statement? Or do you just get a kick out of parroting JB's threadbare line? You can assume that of his 50% or so of the popular vote, a very small percentage was from Democrats. So, it follows, doesn't it, that if his post-election approval rating was 60%+, that at least 10% of those approving him would be Democrats who didn't vote for him, right? And, that was after an election, the results of which were contested and very dubious.
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Feb 27 2009, 06:39 AM
It is a long way to go

If it turns around with the stimulus package--he's going to be king.

And I thought that if Mr. Bush could keep the country from further attacks after 9/11 he would be king.

He did, he wasn't.

Big, huge, unbelievably important things have a way of being quickly forgotten.

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Feb 27 2009, 12:15 PM
TomK
Feb 27 2009, 06:39 AM
It is a long way to go

If it turns around with the stimulus package--he's going to be king.

And I thought that if Mr. Bush could keep the country from further attacks after 9/11 he would be king.

He did, he wasn't.

Big, huge, unbelievably important things have a way of being quickly forgotten.

Well he screwed up with the war in Iraq. No that it was a bad idea, but it screwed things up for him. If he would have "won" the war quickly--he would have been much better off, but that Long, Long time Rumsfeld took to get things going really screwed Bush in the long run.

If he stuck with Afganistan he would have been better off.

[Edit] Let me just say that I think Iraq was good for America, just bad for Bush's popularity.
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Feb 27 2009, 12:08 PM
ivorythumper
Feb 27 2009, 11:41 AM
kathyk
Feb 27 2009, 07:14 AM
His relatively high approval rating shortly after his election would not have been possible had it not been for a lot of "forgiving" Dems who were willing to give him a chance.
As JB has noted in the past, you say the darnest things.
What's so ridiculous about that statement? Or do you just get a kick out of parroting JB's threadbare line? You can assume that of his 50% or so of the popular vote, a very small percentage was from Democrats. So, it follows, doesn't it, that if his post-election approval rating was 60%+, that at least 10% of those approving him would be Democrats who didn't vote for him, right? And, that was after an election, the results of which were contested and very dubious.
If roughly 1/3 of the electorate is Republican, 1/3 Democrat and the rest Independent how can you make the assumption that a 60% approval rating would have to include Democrats?
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If he would have "won" the war quickly--he would have been much better off, but that Long, Long time Rumsfeld took to get things going really screwed Bush in the long run.


Actually, we *did* win the war quickly. We cut through Iraq like a knife through butter, a brilliant military operation that will be studied for decades. And Rumsfeld was the man who put that together. It was winning the peace afterwards that took so long, and Rumsfeld was the *wrong* man for that. As for the wisdom of whether or not we should have invaded Iraq, when you consider what could have unfolded in the region had we not, I think it was a wise decision.

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There is now a fledgling democracy in the region that shows every sign of succeeding.

But will anyone on the left give Bush credit where credit is due? Noooooooo. But Obie's sh!t doesn't stink. It really makes me sick.
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If roughly 1/3 of the electorate is Republican, 1/3 Democrat and the rest Independent how can you make the assumption that a 60% approval rating would have to include Democrats?


ooh! ooh! I know the answer to that question too!.....

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To JB: No question, it's a very rough assumption that also assumes that independents are roughly divided in their voting tendencies between R and D. In short, you don't get high approval ratings without approval from a a fair portion of your rival political base.

Anyway, here's the real break down:

n 5,566 interviews with registered voters conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press during the first two months of 2008, 36% identify themselves as Democrats, and just 27% as Republicans.The share of voters who call themselves Republicans has declined by six points since 2004, and represents, on an annualized basis, the lowest percentage of self-identified Republican voters in 16 years of polling by the Center. The Democratic Party has also built a substantial edge among independent voters. Of the 37% who claim no party identification, 15% lean Democratic, 10% lean Republican, and 12% have no leaning either way.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/773/fewer-voters-identify-as-republicans
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Feb 27 2009, 12:44 PM
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If he would have "won" the war quickly--he would have been much better off, but that Long, Long time Rumsfeld took to get things going really screwed Bush in the long run.


Actually, we *did* win the war quickly. We cut through Iraq like a knife through butter, a brilliant military operation that will be studied for decades. And Rumsfeld was the man who put that together. It was winning the peace afterwards that took so long, and Rumsfeld was the *wrong* man for that. As for the wisdom of whether or not we should have invaded Iraq, when you consider what could have unfolded in the region had we not, I think it was a wise decision.

I agree--my point was that the long time that it took to secure the victory hurt Bush politically. It gave the Left ample opportunity to mount a hard and vicious campaign against him that led to us now having a Democraic Legislature and a Democratic President.

I have no problem with the war, but it was those five years of stagnation that hurt the Republican party.
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Mikhailoh
Feb 27 2009, 12:46 PM
There is now a fledgling democracy in the region that shows every sign of succeeding.

But will anyone on the left give Bush credit where credit is due? Noooooooo. But Obie's sh!t doesn't stink. It really makes me sick.
Oh yeah, that. :wacko: Was it worth the trillion $$ and the carnage? And fledgling is right.

O hasn't had a chance to prove the fragrance of his ****. He's been in office one measly month. Why don't you hold your complaints and give him a chance.

Bush has made his legacy, and the great majority of American agree that he blew it. Won't it be ironic if it turns out that we have one of history's worst presidents followed by one of history's best. I'm not going to go out on a limb and predict that, and I wish people on the other side would follow suit in holding their predictions of Obama's failure. It really is unpatriotic.
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You make a wild ass statement about Bush's approval ratings and back it up with 2008 stats?

Bush was hated by Democrats from day 1. I am sure there were some who supported him in the beginning but not the substantial number you are trying to flog.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Feb 27 2009, 12:46 PM
There is now a fledgling democracy in the region that shows every sign of succeeding.

But will anyone on the left give Bush credit where credit is due? Noooooooo. But Obie's sh!t doesn't stink. It really makes me sick.
I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that next year, after the major group of soldiers have gone, there will be a prime time news special honoring Obama for "ending the war", complete with pictures of happy Iraqis sitting on park benches in the Green Zone, shopping in shopping centers where ammo dumps used to be.....

all made to look like it happened *after* Obama ascended to the throne...
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Yup - it'll be interesting to see how it plays out (read: spin) in the next couple years and how much credit they'll give Bush. We'll see...
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They might even show shots of him walking over there.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
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Feb 27 2009, 12:53 PM
Mikhailoh
Feb 27 2009, 12:46 PM
There is now a fledgling democracy in the region that shows every sign of succeeding.

But will anyone on the left give Bush credit where credit is due? Noooooooo. But Obie's sh!t doesn't stink. It really makes me sick.
I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that next year, after the major group of soldiers have gone, there will be a prime time news special honoring Obama for "ending the war", complete with pictures of happy Iraqis sitting on park benches in the Green Zone, shopping in shopping centers where ammo dumps used to be.....

all made to look like it happened *after* Obama ascended to the throne...
They're already doing that. It started in January. Go figure.
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