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Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Topic Started: Feb 27 2009, 03:04 AM (766 Views)
Larry
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German philosopher.. interesting man!


My favorite quote of him:

"Liberalism is the transformation of mankind into cattle."


Pretty insightful.... :D



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What do you think the good Professor understood the word 'liberalism' to mean, Larry?
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Ah hell Jon, how am I supposed to know? I'm just an ignorant redneck injun from the South..

why don't you tell me what he meant by it?........
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Maybe Jeffrey will chime in.
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Now don't go enlisting help.. if you can't answer it just say so..... :D
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He also said that Christianity and Democracy were a load of bollocks (that's a loose translation, in the German tradition of making very big words up as you go along he liked to use very big words, but it amounts to much the same thing)
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John D'Oh
Feb 27 2009, 04:12 AM
He also said that Christianity and Democracy were a load of bollocks.
Yeah, but that's not the part I was interested in. I was interested in what he said to hammer liberals over the head..

Get with the program, will ya? :D
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Larry
Feb 27 2009, 04:14 AM
John D'Oh
Feb 27 2009, 04:12 AM
He also said that Christianity and Democracy were a load of bollocks.
Yeah, but that's not the part I was interested in. I was interested in what he said to hammer liberals over the head..

Get with the program, will ya? :D
Hitler didn't like liberals either. In fact, he probably hated Social Democrats even more than the communists and Jews.

Thread closed. :lol2:
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Wiki's take is:

"a doctrine stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to place fiscal constraints on government[4] as exemplified in the writings of John Locke, Adam Smith, David Hume, David Ricardo, Voltaire, Montesquieu and others."


Not sure I'd give the gold standard such a high billing if I were to define it, but other than that their definition seems good.
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Feb 27 2009, 04:16 AM
Wiki's take is:

"a doctrine stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to place fiscal constraints on government[4] as exemplified in the writings of John Locke, Adam Smith, David Hume, David Ricardo, Voltaire, Montesquieu and others."
Oh - those bastards. Modern conservatives :lol2:
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Are you sure you didn't google "Libertarian".
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JBryan
Feb 27 2009, 05:15 AM
Are you sure you didn't google "Libertarian".
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doctrine stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government

A trillion dollar deficit - got it.

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importance of human rationality

"gonna put you to work" - got it

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individual property rights
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Tax the ones who pay taxes the most, give money to those who dont - got it.

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constitutional limitation of government

Uh huh - got that one too

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free markets

with bailouts

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fiscal constraints on government

A trillion dollar deficit.
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Feb 27 2009, 04:16 AM
Wiki's take is:

"a doctrine stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to place fiscal constraints on government[4] as exemplified in the writings of John Locke, Adam Smith, David Hume, David Ricardo, Voltaire, Montesquieu and others."


Not sure I'd give the gold standard such a high billing if I were to define it, but other than that their definition seems good.
That's classical liberalism, not modern liberalism. The word of choice modern liberals prefer today is "progressive". :lol2:
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It was you Americans that hijacked the term 'liberal' to mean something entirely different from it's roots. Yet another example of the American rape of the mother language. Not content with turning your backs on the civilisation that set you up in the first place, now you're redefining our very own words and attempting to use them as weapons in your war on common sense and all that is decent.

I'm shocked, I tell you.
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Feb 27 2009, 05:32 AM
That's classical liberalism, not modern liberalism. The word of choice modern liberals prefer today is "progressive".
Which do you think Nitzsche was talking about?
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On Nietzsche:

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9) i had a parakeet, sam, for 6 years. i used to read neitzsche to him in the closet to tame him. it worked.


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Feb 27 2009, 05:40 AM
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Feb 27 2009, 05:32 AM
That's classical liberalism, not modern liberalism. The word of choice modern liberals prefer today is "progressive".
Which do you think Nitzsche was talking about?
I wouldn't presume to speak for Mr. Nietzsche, but perhaps he foresaw modern liberalism in his work, "The Birth of Tragedy".
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You know who else liked Nietzsche, liked him a whole bunch?




Nazis.




:lol: Ain't no Godwin ploy, it's true. The Will to Power was a big hit with that crowd.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Feb 27 2009, 05:56 AM
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Feb 27 2009, 05:40 AM
QuantumIvory
Feb 27 2009, 05:32 AM
That's classical liberalism, not modern liberalism. The word of choice modern liberals prefer today is "progressive".
Which do you think Nitzsche was talking about?
I wouldn't presume to speak for Mr. Nietzsche, but perhaps he foresaw modern liberalism in his work, "The Birth of Tragedy".
The quote by him that started this thread sure doesn't sound much like an attempt to describe classical liberalism.
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There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Feb 27 2009, 05:57 AM
You know who else liked Nietzsche, liked him a whole bunch?




Nazis.




:lol: Ain't no Godwin ploy, it's true. The Will to Power was a big hit with that crowd.
They also liked Wagner and Bach.
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Feb 27 2009, 06:06 AM
They also liked Wagner and Bach.
I can believe it; what's not to like?
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Feb 27 2009, 05:32 AM
That's classical liberalism, not modern liberalism. The word of choice modern liberals prefer today is "progressive".
Which do you think Nitzsche was talking about?
It doesn't matter. *I* started this thread, and *I* got to use it to take a poke at liberals. So *I* expect you to respect my right to use this for what I intended for it to be, and not do what you are doing, because if you keep doing what you're doing I will send you lots of nasty PMs calling you a homophobe and telling you to kiss my ass.

I do hope you are clear now on my intentions, and we can move on to other discussions and leave this moment of savagery behind us......


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You forgot to call him a liar...
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