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| Did the historical jesus really exist? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 25 2009, 06:55 PM (746 Views) | |
| Mark | Feb 26 2009, 06:26 AM Post #26 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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| M&M's | Feb 26 2009, 07:42 AM Post #27 |
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Hilarious Dewey! Did you make that up yourself? |
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| Free Rider | Feb 26 2009, 07:47 AM Post #28 |
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Dewey... hilarious. TAll this as a prominent banner ad "The God Who Wasn't There" irreverently lays out the case that Jesus Christ never existed.So I guess that's that. |
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 26 2009, 09:26 AM Post #29 |
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I think there seems to be a pretty good concensus that Jesus did exist. Now, a more interesting question. What about the "The Flood"? Did it happen? |
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| CrashTest | Feb 26 2009, 09:36 AM Post #30 |
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I am not sure if it is enough to convince me. People say it is "well accepted" and "indisputable" and other such words to say that he existed, but then the evidence presented is pretty thin - just a few quotes here and there. I am sure I can find much more evidence to prove that someone like a king during his time existed. Sure, a king makes a big splash in the water and gets around, but shouldn't the god of all mankind trump that? |
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| Dewey | Feb 26 2009, 09:52 AM Post #31 |
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There are other quotes as well. However, perhaps the most notable of evidence for the historical Jesus is what wasn't said. Of all of the comments, and especially, the disputations of Christ, and Christians, that have survived from antiquity, there are those that accuse Jesus as being a joke, a fraud, a failure, a sorcerer, a magician, a deceiver, an apostate, a satanic agent - but none of these comments say that he didn't exist. They all addressed what he did, or did not, say and do. No one, in making an argument against Jesus, said, "Jesus who? Those Christians just made the guy up!" |
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| PattyP | Feb 26 2009, 09:59 AM Post #32 |
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Jesus did and does exist. I'd stake my life on it. Literally. Oh, and Dewey,
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| Renauda | Feb 26 2009, 12:44 PM Post #33 |
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Probably not as described in Bible. Better question, "did Moses really exist?" Not likely |
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| Moses | Feb 26 2009, 01:50 PM Post #34 |
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So now you're an expert I guess? What, are you a doctor? A lawyer? What? Because you're no rabbi, boychik. The things I have to put up with. |
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Let me tell you something that we Israelis have against Moses. He took us 40 years through the desert in order to bring us to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil! Golda Meir | |
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| Mark | Feb 26 2009, 01:59 PM Post #35 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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You tell em Moses! |
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| Renauda | Feb 26 2009, 02:04 PM Post #36 |
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Okay so you're a TNCR sock. Sockdom is hardly an honourable pastime for a prophet. |
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 26 2009, 02:08 PM Post #37 |
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I do believe there may have been terrible flooding throughout the middle east and Mediterranean region tens of thousands of years ago that was the basis of the Biblical Account. I can also believe that one man was inspired to build the Ark, as well as gather various animals. I don't believe, otoh, that this one family were the sole survivors in the world, and that they also rescued each and every animal species, and that today all humans and all animals are descendants of these survivors. Nor that the flooding covered the entire earth. As far as Moses goes, this is a huge question. There's never been a substantial amount of evidence that Jews were ever even present in Israel. Just a few small accounts. There's a reference in Egyptian documents of a tribe of Hebrews that were captured and forced to work on the Ramses' city. There's also a tablet referring to a group of slaves as the Habiru... They have found some evidence that they may have discovered Ramses' city, finally. However, even if this gets verified, it seems like the Hebrew slaves likely numbered within a few hundred among thousands of other slaves. Now, having a child of the Jews be raised by the family of the Pharoah and be a Prince of Egypt seems a little far fetched, but it wasn't terribly uncommon during those times for parents to put infants in baskets on the river and place their fates "in the hands of the Gods". It also was not unusual for foreign children to be placed within the nurseries and schools of the nobility of Egypt. It could happen. In regards to the plagues, there are some natural events that could have led to a chain reaction of events similar to the plagues listed. Quite possibly, the eruption of the Santorini volcano around 1600BCE. What's intriguing about this theory is that it could also explain the pillars of cloud and fire that the Hebrews followed, as well as the parting of "The Reed Sea". That's not a typo. There is some thought that there was a translation error. From what I understand, in Hebrew, it was yam suph, or the sea of reeds. This would have described a swampy marshland area, which existen in the Nile delta. There is strong evidence that the Santorini explosion, and subsequent geological disruptions created strong tsunami conditions that reached the Nile Delta. Prior to the tsunami, the waters would have receded, allowing open areas through the marsh for the Hebrews to walk. If the Egyptians were following them by an hour or two, their chariots and horses would have been slowed, even stuck, in the marsh when the tsunami struck. |
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| Luke's Dad | Feb 26 2009, 02:18 PM Post #38 |
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There's also supposed to be reported findings in The Gulf of Aquaba, of Chariots and human renains if you prefer the Red Sea translation. |
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| jon-nyc | Feb 26 2009, 04:59 PM Post #39 |
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Cheers
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What's your criteria? In other words, what makes 'a' flood qualify as 'the' flood? |
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