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Larry, I owe you an apology
Topic Started: Feb 25 2009, 04:45 PM (2,435 Views)
kathyk
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Feb 26 2009, 09:56 AM
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offensive words are removed or posts are deleted entirely, and a note is inserted indicated that the post was edited.


Nope. My posts were deleted entirely and NO note was inserted to indicate that anything had been there. No cogent reason was offered for the moderating either, and at least one of the mods was pretty pissed off about it.

As in Larry's case, there is a high likelihood that it was Quirt who initiated the appeal to Cindy. That's his choice. The fact that Cindy listened and acted unilaterally was hers. I won't stand for that. Period.
Let's not start rewriting history - bad enough to have to rehash it. Again, if you want the nitty gritty low down, ask Jodi.

If a notation was made when your posts were deleted, I would imagine that was an oversight. Cindy did say that she was in a rush at the time. Anytime I've seen censoring at WTF, it has been duly noted by the moderator.
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kathyk
Feb 26 2009, 10:04 AM
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Feb 26 2009, 09:56 AM
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offensive words are removed or posts are deleted entirely, and a note is inserted indicated that the post was edited.


Nope. My posts were deleted entirely and NO note was inserted to indicate that anything had been there. No cogent reason was offered for the moderating either, and at least one of the mods was pretty pissed off about it.

As in Larry's case, there is a high likelihood that it was Quirt who initiated the appeal to Cindy. That's his choice. The fact that Cindy listened and acted unilaterally was hers. I won't stand for that. Period.
Let's not start rewriting history - bad enough to have to rehash it. Again, if you want the nitty gritty low down, ask Jodi.

If a notation was made when your posts were deleted, I would imagine that was an oversight. Cindy did say that she was in a rush at the time. Anytime I've seen censoring at WTF, it has been duly noted by the moderator.
I think there's a possiblility that - through no fault of her own - Jodi might not know everything that has happened, and whether in fact some posts had been reworded.

I like the mods. there - all of them. I think they're hamstrung by rules, and I think something should be done about the problems Daniel continues to cause.

I'm all for getting out into the great outdoors, and not dwelling on things - I'm not.
I believe in letting people know how I feel first, though.
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
Somebody tell this ignorant twit to stop trying to push it all off onto Jodi. Jodi is a moderator - she isn't joined to Cindy's hip. There are things that have happened that Jodi wasn't involved in, or aware of.

Geez...... how anyone can't figure out why I can't stand this twit is beyond me.
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I'm not rewriting history, Kathy. You are ignoring it (of the recent variety). My posts were simply deleted with NO reference left in the record that they ever existed. Subsequent posts (by Jon) then made no sense. Jon has noted this himself, publicly. That is the record and it is a fact. I have much of the nitty-gritty, BTW, and from the sources themselves.

That is separate from the other issues, such as whether it makes much sense for the 'owner' to take a hands-on role in deciding on a case by case basis whether words should be changed or deleted or whether individual posts should be deleted, and on what basis.
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Larry,

I think she's got you on ignore! :sombrero:
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Larry
Feb 26 2009, 10:12 AM
Somebody tell this ignorant twit to stop trying to push it all off onto Jodi. Jodi is a moderator - she isn't joined to Cindy's hip. There are things that have happened that Jodi wasn't involved in, or aware of.

Geez...... how anyone can't figure out why I can't stand this twit is beyond me.
Yes we can, brother, we can figure it out !
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In rewriting history, I'm referring to two recurrent themes in this thread. First, that Larry's banning was wrong-headed and overstating Cindy's involvement in that decision; hence, my echo to ask Jodi, b/c she was as involved as anyone in that decision as anyone. And second, that the moderators rewrite posts. They don't. If they hadn't notated the deletion of yours, I am guessing that it was an over sight. But, you are correct, I have not followed the recent shakedown closely at all. Frankly, it seems like much ado about nothing.
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Sneaky, Larry. Veeeerrrry sneaky! :lol2:
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Larry
Feb 26 2009, 09:49 AM
Clueless twit.

Do that offline & your choices will dwindle to clueless twat. And that gets r-e-a-l boring.

Behave please Larry.

A request.
:)


I worked alongside a head nurse once who'd purposefully stall feedback so to stifle the opinion of a certain staff nurse on her unit. Aggravating & alienating & unfair .. for that particular staff nurse. Issues multiplied and dislike for the head nurse festered. I always thought that a poor tactic in leadership, a poor tactic with discipline. I didn't agree with it yet didn't address that with her. I should've in retrospect. I'd imagine putting someone's posts on "personal preview" could accomplish the same thing. I'm sorry you had to go through that with Cindy.

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Feb 26 2009, 10:14 AM
Larry,

I think she's got you on ignore! :sombrero:
You got that right. And it's bliss! :hat:
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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I think there's a possiblility that - through no fault of her own - Jodi might not know everything that has happened, and whether in fact some posts had been reworded.


This was the thing that pissed me off the most. I have known Jodi longer than I've known any of you. She's been here the longest of anyone, I'm the second longest. Jodi and I have always gotten along just fine, and I consider her a friend. She got caught in the middle of things, and then all the "just ask Jodi" put so much pressure on her that wasn't necessary, and I refused to argue my case with her out of respect to her. She didn't know all the things that went on, and since she was miffed at me over the sock thing I chose not to make an issue of it.
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
kathyk
Feb 26 2009, 10:17 AM
Piano*Dad
Feb 26 2009, 10:14 AM
Larry,

I think she's got you on ignore! :sombrero:
You got that right. And it's bliss! :hat:
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

SO IS IGNORANCE!
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Larry
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Feb 26 2009, 10:17 AM
Sneaky, Larry. Veeeerrrry sneaky! :lol2:
:D

Except that wasn't me... not one of my socks....
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blondie
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Clueless Dick.
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That's what mom would say to dad.

[His name was Richard.]

:D


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This TNCR-WTF thing is beginning to resemble the 100 Years War.

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Feb 26 2009, 10:23 AM
This TNCR-WTF thing is beginning to resemble the 100 Years War.

Big Al
"Once more onto the beach..."
Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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blondie
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I must go offline.
Now.
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boris
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blondie
Feb 26 2009, 10:25 AM
I must go offline.
Now.
We bid you farewell, noble lady of Shalott....


There she weaves by night and day
A magic web with colours gay.
She has heard a whisper say,
A curse is on her if she stay
To look down to TNCR.
She knows not what the curse may be,
And so she weaveth steadily,
And little other care hath she,
The Lady of Shalott.
Licenced to be a dirty sock by appointment to HMQ EII
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I have not followed the recent shakedown closely at all. Frankly, it seems like much ado about nothing.


That's in the eye of the beholder. On the one hand, having a post zapped is not the worst thing that can happen to someone in this world. I'm fully aware that reacting very strongly to such an action can be deemed overreacting (at best) or petulant and immature (at the worse end). If people think quitting the forum is overreacting, fine. I'm sure someone there will come up with the tried and true .... 'don't let the door ....."

I take a different view, naturally. These forums thrive on open discussion. If someone wants to change or delete what I write, they had better be able to articulate to me a clear reason beyond a vague "you're over the line." The 'line' seems to move back and forth depending on the whim of the guardian. That's not a line, its a perfect plan for rewarding friends and punishing those who are not fully insiders. This is reinforced when decisions can be made unilaterally by the owner who intervenes actively instead of at last resort. Given the uncertainty this can create, it's a mechanism of social control. I don't need that.

BTW, I generally accept high quality proofing of what I say from the editor of a journal or newspaper. If the editor of the Washington Post thinks I need to address a point I hadn't considered, I usually react favorably (though not always). I have substantially more respect for the professionalism of that editor!
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Larry
Feb 26 2009, 10:21 AM
Piano*Dad
Feb 26 2009, 10:17 AM
Sneaky, Larry. Veeeerrrry sneaky! :lol2:
:D

Except that wasn't me... not one of my socks....
Geez, I can't keep them straight. :lol2:
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blondie
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boris
Feb 26 2009, 10:30 AM
blondie
Feb 26 2009, 10:25 AM
I must go offline.
Now.
We bid you farewell, noble lady of Shalott....


There she weaves by night and day
A magic web with colours gay.
She has heard a whisper say,
A curse is on her if she stay
To look down to TNCR.
She knows not what the curse may be,
And so she weaveth steadily,
And little other care hath she,
The Lady of Shalott.
That's deep.
It's been years since I saw that.
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Renauda
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HOLY CARP!!!
Cindy in Sphinxterland comes across as little more than a micro managing ninny armed with a nanotonne of knowledge about nothing. Sort of individual who in their own mind, can never be wrong.
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blondie
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Like Judge Judy?
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blondie
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I so want to be moderated.

It's that submissive need ya know ....
;) :D
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kathyk
Feb 26 2009, 10:04 AM
Piano*Dad
Feb 26 2009, 09:56 AM
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offensive words are removed or posts are deleted entirely, and a note is inserted indicated that the post was edited.


Nope. My posts were deleted entirely and NO note was inserted to indicate that anything had been there. No cogent reason was offered for the moderating either, and at least one of the mods was pretty pissed off about it.

As in Larry's case, there is a high likelihood that it was Quirt who initiated the appeal to Cindy. That's his choice. The fact that Cindy listened and acted unilaterally was hers. I won't stand for that. Period.
Let's not start rewriting history - bad enough to have to rehash it. Again, if you want the nitty gritty low down, ask Jodi.

If a notation was made when your posts were deleted, I would imagine that was an oversight. Cindy did say that she was in a rush at the time. Anytime I've seen censoring at WTF, it has been duly noted by the moderator.
I didn't notice this the first time around, but PD seems determined to libel me, so I guess I should correct it.

I don't recall ever asking for one of Larry's posts to be moderated. It's possible that I did, but if I did, I don't recall that. I'm quite confident I didn't want him put on moderated status.

PD seems to have developed a hard-on for me, based on the possibility that I may have thought that one of his posts was over the line and deserved to be moderated. Too damn bad.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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