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Larry, I owe you an apology
Topic Started: Feb 25 2009, 04:45 PM (2,436 Views)
Jolly
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blondie
Feb 25 2009, 07:10 PM
Hmm.

Kluurs said something at the WTF today & now Plays & Phlebas say things here.

They make me think.

I believe some invest many, many hours lurking, posting on these forums. And others just don't. I have to be more respectful how individauls choose to spend their time. I can't be judgmental but it's real hard being non-judgemental.

I see myself (like now) getting too caught up in tiffs old & new (Larry-Cindy; Larry-Kathy-Jack), recent immaturities (Jack, Daniel), etc., etc. .... being a lurking voyeur .... feeling I should post & take sides.

Because of Plays & Phlebas, I'm re-questioning Cindy's banning of Larry, yet I'm asking myself if I should really care so much (no offense Larry, 'cause I know it's seriously personal for you).

Of what Kluurs wrote over there today .. People really do get worked up over a lot of stuff, and yes, people really do look for aggravation, things to get offended over. I confess .. even me. :( In both places.

Over time I've become cynical and apathetic. This isn't good.

I just don't want cyber-world to take over too much of my real life. I need to spend time adding RL into my own life.

FWIW, casting his banning aside, I'm real glad Wacky is posting at the WTF for now. He adds much needed life, naughtiness, suspense to the place. WTF really needs that. I'm glad his friend is posting too (here & there).

Larry, could you PM the WTF thread(s) where Cindy banned you? They're probably purged now. I won't comment on them; I just want to re-read what Cindy wrote, re-think things for myself. Thanks. :)


Larry's stuff is long gone, no researching that.

Let me say this for Wacki....his demeanor at WTF has been pretty different from the way he waltzed in here.

Lastly....never get too caught up in this stuff. Never.
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
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Larry
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I don't hate women. I love women. I think every woman is a unique and special creature, and I am fascinated by each and every one of them. I love the way they look, the way they act, the way they talk, the way they laugh... I just flat LOVE women.

But there's more to being a woman than a couple of tits and a cooter, and when they start wearing Burkenstocks and looking like they might smell and doing the "I am woman hear me roar" bullsh!t, that doesn't make the cut.

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Feb 25 2009, 07:37 PM
au contraire, if I stay down there too long I'll never be able to get rid of YOU!!!!!!

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Jolly
Feb 25 2009, 07:40 PM
Let me say this for Wacki....his demeanor at WTF has been pretty different from the way he waltzed in here.

Perhaps, but it still doesn't keep him from lobbing his dog droppings over the fence into our yard, thinking we don't see it.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Feb 25 2009, 07:13 PM
Renauda
Feb 25 2009, 07:11 PM
Misogynist.

Seems to me that's the second time that word has been used in here in as many days. Forget just who it was that mindlessly blubbered it yesterday or the day before.
Ms. K. Had a whole magazine cover and everything.
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I wear Birkenstocks (Mephistos).
I've cute red ones too.
I mew rather loudly when some men step on my tail.
But I'm pretty sweet.
I always wear deodorant.

Just saying ..
:)
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I love a woman in Birks.
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blondie
Feb 25 2009, 07:10 PM
Hmm.

Kluurs said something at the WTF today & now Plays & Phlebas say things here.

They make me think.

I believe some invest many, many hours lurking, posting on these forums. And others just don't. I have to be more respectful how individauls choose to spend their time. I can't be judgmental but it's real hard being non-judgemental.

I see myself (like now) getting too caught up in tiffs old & new (Larry-Cindy; Larry-Kathy-Jack), recent immaturities (Jack, Daniel), etc., etc. .... being a lurking voyeur .... feeling I should post & take sides.

Because of Plays & Phlebas, I'm re-questioning Cindy's banning of Larry, yet I'm asking myself if I should really care so much (no offense Larry, 'cause I know it's seriously personal for you).

Of what Kluurs wrote over there today .. People really do get worked up over a lot of stuff, and yes, people really do look for aggravation, things to get offended over. I confess .. even me. :( In both places.

Over time I've become cynical and apathetic. This isn't good.

I just don't want cyber-world to take over too much of my real life. I need to spend time adding RL into my own life.

FWIW, casting his banning aside, I'm real glad Wacky is posting at the WTF for now. He adds much needed life, naughtiness, suspense to the place. WTF really needs that. I'm glad his friend is posting too (here & there).

Larry, could you PM the WTF thread(s) where Cindy banned you? They're probably purged now. I won't comment on them; I just want to re-read what Cindy wrote, re-think things for myself. Thanks. :)


My take on it was Larry joined the place. There was a core group of people who didn't like him. The mods weren't crazy about him (actually, they weren't crazy about the extra work he caused). The rules were used to first make life so annoying for him that he would leave. He didn't leave, so the mods had him under a microscope until they could use the rules to ban him.

What were Larry's reasons for joining? That's not really my business. He joined and was a member, and it's not really my business to ask why.

I think those posts are long gone. Cindy does a purge of that place every so often because they run out of space.

It became an extremely annoying place because there's one member - Daniel - who gets into a hissy fit every few days, and craps all over the place - sending nasty PMs to people, calling them liars, and general drama queen behavior. It's like a dinner party where adults are talking, but some idiot brought their hyper not very bright 3 year old who keeps interrupting, and no one has the balls to stick the kid in a high-chair with a sock in his mouth. This is nothing I'm saying behind Daniel's back because I've said pretty much the same to him, and he's free to come here and reply.

Anyway, I'm with Plays. Can't envision going back there.

Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML

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blondie
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I forget the history of things. It's good to reflect but I don't dwell on things for too long.

I posted this at the WTF but I think we'd all do well building more meaning & goodness into our offline lives.

And I'm going to do that!

:)
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blondie
Feb 26 2009, 07:47 AM
I forget the history of things. It's good to reflect but I don't dwell on things for too long.

I posted this at the WTF but I think we'd all do well building more meaning & goodness into our offline lives.

And I'm going to do that!

:)
Right on, Blondie. It's amazing what a little fresh air and exercise does.

I hope it's warmer up there. :thumb:
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blondie
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-37C with the wind chill FR.
Still doing paperwork :( .
& I owe you a message.

You FR are a breath of fresh air!
You've got perspective doing the RL things you do for others.
I like that.
:)


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As soon as Obama passes the fairness doctrine the WTF will be forced to allow both sides to post threads, else it will be shut down by the fairness doctrine police for non compliance. Works both ways.

Frankly I don't know how you all have the time to participate in 2 forums - this one uses up more than enough time.
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Jolly
 
Larry's stuff is long gone, no researching that.

Let me say this for Wacki....his demeanor at WTF has been pretty different from the way he waltzed in here.

Lastly....never get too caught up in this stuff. Never.


Amen to that, brother.

I did and was naive enough to think he was genuine.
WI just likes to spar which I want no part of, ever, with anyone, about anything.

I'm a lover not a fighter. :D

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My take on it was Larry joined the place. There was a core group of people who didn't like him. The mods weren't crazy about him (actually, they weren't crazy about the extra work he caused).


Actually, that's an understandable conclusion to reach, but not the real one.

When I joined, my first post was to ask "may I join your little group?" The response was "sure, just play nice". The first few days were spent with two or three people who were polar opposites to me posting "let me ask you a question" type things, all done in a friendly, but challenging manner. My response to these few was polite, humourous, culminating in comments along the lines of "I don't agree with you on anything of course, but you're welcome here." Sort of a "dog sniffing the new dog to see if he was going to play nice" period.

Then, for several months, I participated quite unremarkably, no one felt I was being rude, or violating any rules. It was even commented on a time or two that I acted "different" there, and while they didn't agree with me on anything, I was being polite.

Then D day came. I disagreed with Cindy. She gave me one of her infamous "put in your place" posts, similar to the way she recently did to Improv. My response was to politely provide her with the facts to back up my point. When I came back the next day, that post had been reworded, not just parts deleted, *reworded* to make it appear that I had ceded my point to her, and now agreed with her.

I PM'd her and told her I didn't appreciate having my post altered, and asked her to put it back the way I had written it. She ignored me for about a week, with me sending a couple more requests for her to put my post back the way I wrote it. Nothing. So I went back and changed it back to the way I had written it myself. Then I received a PM from her telling me that she "had a life" and wasn't at my beck and call, basically told me it was her sandbox and if I didn't like it I was welcome to leave, and that she was putting me on moderated status because I was a trouble maker. Then she went back to the post in question and deleted it altogether.

For the next several months my posts were routed to her so she could read them before they went public. My posts would sit in her in box for days before they got posted, when they did get posted they would sometimes go up as I had written them, and sometimes be reworded to say things I hadn't said. Never because I had violated any rule, but "cleansed" of any views she didn't agree with. I don't think even the other moderators knew what was happening at the time, but maybe they did. Finally, I came here and made a stink, since if I had done it there, she would have simply ignored them. That resulted in some embarrassment for her by making a bit of what was going on public. A discussion ensued, "that's not right" posts getting posted, and the pressure caused her to remove me from having all my posts prescreened.

For a few months my posts were left alone, people actually got along with me and me with them, not a single thing said by me or anyone to me that crossed any lines. It seemed to be in the past.

Then.............. Daniel.

I got some nasty PMs from Daniel, complaining about things I had written, telling me the same sorts of nasty crap he's written to others now. Then, after a rash of "report post" PMs by Daniel to Cindy, I received a PM from her telling me that I was violating the rules, I was a trouble maker, and that she was putting me back on prescreened status. This time, any of the moderators could examine my posts, because apparently while Cindy wanted to be able to tell Daniel she had done something, she didn't want to have to fool with it all herself.

Most of my posts from that point on were not altered at all, but they would sit until Jodi logged in and posted them. The others didn't do squat. Cindy didn't do squat. If it hadn't been for Jodi, none of them would likely have made it onto the board.

While this was going on, I was PMing Cindy demanding that she give me a list of the things she deemed to be a violation of the rules. I posted them here once a long time ago, and now can't remember them, but they were all silly. An example I do remember - she said I had violated the rule about "using someone's real name"... I had called bongwater "JJJS", after he had called himself JJJS..... Think about that for a minute - I violated her rules by referring to a poster by his old screen name, after he himself had used his old screen name......

Other examples of my "infractions" were along the lines of "you make people feel bad when you disagree with them". All of them were just that silly, obviously an attempt on her part to come up with *something* instead of admitting that in truth I had not violated a single rule.

Finally, I decided I'd had enough. I actually enjoyed my conversations with some of them who only post there, which was my reason for staying. I hadn't had a single argument with any of them, something that would have been impossible anyway since every single thing I'd written for nearly a year was prescreened for public consumption. I think during that whole time, Jodi made ONE change in a post, and that was minor. But I was tired of being treated like a nigger. I was tired of complaining to Cindy about it, only to be met with the same "it's my sandbox so you can like it or leave" attitude.

So I created a sock. Never mind that the sock was designed to make it obvious who I was. At the time, Quirt was on my case pretty hard, so he made it his job to "out" my sock. With the same level of disinterest he has now about the identity of socks, he focused on *being* interested in exposing mine. That's fine, I get along with Quirt now, no hard feelings. But he made matters worse at the time.

My purpose in making the sock was to show Cindy that if I wanted to get around her stupid treatment of me, I could. I can get on her board today if I want to. She doesn't know it, but I can. The "Larry created a sock" thing was blown up all out of proportion - finallyl she had a shred of *something* she could use to justify banning me. So - whip up the troops, kick his ass out, and let the "well I never liked him anyway" posts begin.

So there it is - Daniel was the main cause of it. Cindy was already predisposed to it anyway, not because I had actually violated a single one of her rules, but because I dared disagree with her, and then had the nerve to question her about her altering my posts.

Oddly enough, nearly every poster there has at one point or another violated the rules far more clearly than I ever did. Again - how can you violate the rules when everything you write is prescreened and edited?... If I had written even one sentence like the things Daniel has written for the last week, you'd still be smelling the stink.

I made the decision to show her she didn't have the control she thinks she does, that if I want to I can get around her heavy handed schoolground bully style of running things, and then planned to expose myself as the sock, and leave. Thanks to Quirt's obsession with "outing" my sock however, it all went to hell, and so - to hell with Cindy.

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Feb 26 2009, 08:55 AM

Frankly I don't know how you all have the time to participate in 2 forums - this one uses up more than enough time.
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And as an addendum - I defy anyone there to cite an example where I made one single personal attack against them. With all the claims of how I "had a history of violating the rules", I would love to see just one of them prove that I made a personal attack against them. They can't do it.

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Feb 25 2009, 06:32 PM
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So let me get this straight. you are trading in an African-American control freak at one forum to make nice with an ultra right-wing neocon homophobic misogynist redneck truck driver who keeps calling me Precious?


At least your every word will appear as you wrote them and not as someone else would like them to be.
C'mon JB. You're too grown up to become part of the Jr. High rumor mill. Nothing is ever rewritten at WTF. Offending posts are censored, i.e. offensive words are removed or posts are deleted entirely, and a note is inserted indicated that the post was edited.

I have not always agreed with some of the moderation decisions over there, and have been annoyed at some that have involved my posts, but they *are* consistent and quite predicatable.

Yes, moderation is on the heavy side, but that was by charter and it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who has frequented the forum over the years. But, no - there has never been the rewriting of posts at WTF.
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Feb 25 2009, 08:56 PM
Luke's Dad
Feb 25 2009, 07:13 PM
Renauda
Feb 25 2009, 07:11 PM
Misogynist.

Seems to me that's the second time that word has been used in here in as many days. Forget just who it was that mindlessly blubbered it yesterday or the day before.
Ms. K. Had a whole magazine cover and everything.
Who's that? A tacky morning TV talk show host?

Do you think there's a career in that for me?! :excited:
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Feb 26 2009, 09:12 AM


Then.............. Daniel.


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Interesting to see one of the revisionist historians and apologists comments from her usual position of having her ears covered up so she only hears what she wants to hear....
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Feb 26 2009, 09:38 AM
Larry
Feb 26 2009, 09:12 AM


Then.............. Daniel.


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I have fond memories of a cute little Hawaiian girl I met there back in 82... and you had to go and ruin it....... :D
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Feb 25 2009, 07:10 PM
Hmm.

Kluurs said something at the WTF today & now Plays & Phlebas say things here.

They make me think.

I believe some invest many, many hours lurking, posting on these forums. And others just don't. I have to be more respectful how individauls choose to spend their time. I can't be judgmental but it's real hard being non-judgemental.

I see myself (like now) getting too caught up in tiffs old & new (Larry-Cindy; Larry-Kathy-Jack), recent immaturities (Jack, Daniel), etc., etc. .... being a lurking voyeur .... feeling I should post & take sides.

Because of Plays & Phlebas, I'm re-questioning Cindy's banning of Larry, yet I'm asking myself if I should really care so much (no offense Larry, 'cause I know it's seriously personal for you).

Of what Kluurs wrote over there today .. People really do get worked up over a lot of stuff, and yes, people really do look for aggravation, things to get offended over. I confess .. even me. :( In both places.

Over time I've become cynical and apathetic. This isn't good.

I just don't want cyber-world to take over too much of my real life. I need to spend time adding RL into my own life.

FWIW, casting his banning aside, I'm real glad Wacky is posting at the WTF for now. He adds much needed life, naughtiness, suspense to the place. WTF really needs that. I'm glad his friend is posting too (here & there).

Larry, could you PM the WTF thread(s) where Cindy banned you? They're probably purged now. I won't comment on them; I just want to re-read what Cindy wrote, re-think things for myself. Thanks. :)


Good thoughts, Blondie. My church did a really neat thing last week. They put read cardboard hearts in everybody's bulletin. Each one had two or three suggestions of a public service the recipient should provide at some point during the Lenten season. Mine had volunteering one Sunday afternoon at the local soup kitchen, donating blood, and something else I can't remember. I've never donated blood before - I've always been a wuss about it, fearing getting light headed and fainting, but I think I'll go for it.

And if you want to get to the heart of Larry's banning at WTF, talk to Jodi. It's been dissected and hashed over on this forum at least a half dozen times.
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Clueless twit.

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offensive words are removed or posts are deleted entirely, and a note is inserted indicated that the post was edited.


Nope. My posts were deleted entirely and NO note was inserted to indicate that anything had been there. No cogent reason was offered for the moderating either, and at least one of the mods was pretty pissed off about it.

As in Larry's case, there is a high likelihood that it was Quirt who initiated the appeal to Cindy. That's his choice. The fact that Cindy listened and acted unilaterally was hers. I won't stand for that. Period.
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Well. it's interesting reading, re-reading, re-thinking things. I do lurk more than I post. I'm pretty intuitive. And a generalist. And read people well. Too much moderation makes things too mundane for me. I'll say that much. Then I lean into cynicism, criticism, getting too sardonic. I need to get my attitude re-adjusted. I best do that offline. :D
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