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Kenny's screwed.
Topic Started: Feb 20 2009, 07:08 AM (353 Views)
ivorythumper
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1hp
Feb 20 2009, 09:28 AM

Sheesh, what next, personal income taxes escalating on how much food each family member consumes? :smokin:
Good idea. I'll forward it to Obie.
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Larry
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Don't EVEN talk to me about taxes.......

I'm in the middle of calculating personal property taxes. I don't know about other states, but here businesses have to pay a personal property tax on every @@@(*&&$$&&#(@@$$ thing the business owns, right down to the paper in the copy machines..

You buy the stuff in order to run a business which generates revenue for them, and they tax you on the stuff you have to spend your money on in order to accomplish it. You hire people, they tax you to death for hiring them.

Makes me mad as hell. I bought and paid for the stuff. It's mine. I paid sales tax on it when I bought it. It's mine. It allows me to run the engine that employs people and generates tax. It's my stuff. Why should I have to pay the government year after year after year a penalty tax on it...



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A tentative plan in Massachusetts to use GPS chips in vehicles to charge motorists by the mile has drawn complaints from drivers who say it's an Orwellian intrusion by government into the lives of citizens. Other motorists say it eliminates an incentive to drive more fuel-efficient cars since gas guzzlers will be taxed at the same rate as fuel sippers.
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Mikhailoh
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ivorythumper
Feb 20 2009, 09:24 AM
Luke's Dad
Feb 20 2009, 08:39 AM
Mikhailoh
Feb 20 2009, 08:26 AM
The other drawback here is that, while you might argue (and I believe incorrectly) that road usage is more fair than fuel consumption, taxation based on miles driven does nothing to encourage fuel-efficient vehicles.
Hence the title of the thread.
It would be easy enough to set up a tiered system where the per mile tax rates are based on the fuel efficiency of the vehicle. That's what I'd do if I were a totalitarian, centralizing, socialist, leftist, environmentalist whacko, power grubbing, freedom hating, market controlling, big spending, Democratic politician.
Yep. I'd charge those money grubbing hybrid driving bastards double. Cheap sumbitches.
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Larry
Feb 20 2009, 09:39 AM
Don't EVEN talk to me about taxes.......

I'm in the middle of calculating personal property taxes. I don't know about other states, but here businesses have to pay a personal property tax on every @@@(*&&$$&&#(@@$$ thing the business owns, right down to the paper in the copy machines..

You buy the stuff in order to run a business which generates revenue for them, and they tax you on the stuff you have to spend your money on in order to accomplish it. You hire people, they tax you to death for hiring them.

Makes me mad as hell. I bought and paid for the stuff. It's mine. I paid sales tax on it when I bought it. It's mine. It allows me to run the engine that employs people and generates tax. It's my stuff. Why should I have to pay the government year after year after year a penalty tax on it...



Same in most places for your car ... there's both sales tax and property tax on that. And you don't even use it to earn revenue!

But, let me ask you a question. A serious question. Forget for the moment the amount of the tax, or what it's spent on. Government has to collect taxes on something, right? Even if the amount is a lot smaller, it has to be collected on something.

Mark argues all the time that the primary method of federal taxation ... income tax ... is [insert a string of pejoratives here].

You obviously don't like the personal property tax.

So, how should tax be assessed?

Income?

Real property?

Sales?

Value added (a la Europe)?

Personal property?

Some combination?

It has to come from somewhere, and each method has its flaws.

[Cue Mark to enter with a diatribe against income tax. Mark, where do you think taxes should come from? Again, don't tell me about how we collect too much, or spend too much, or how the Federal Reserve is evil incarnate. Taxes have to come from somewhere. If you were King of the Universe, on what source would you assess taxes?]
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Luke's Dad
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Consumption, in this scenario, doesn't work. Often times, the people that drive the most are often in rural areas, where it's more necessary with fewer alternatives. They would be spending the most in taxes, yet getting the least back as rural areas and highways often receive the least maintenance and care. Easiest answer, IMO? Build some of it into the costs of getting and renewing your license. Average cost of a license these days is what, $5-10 a year? Pop it up to what you charge for vehicle registration, $40-50 a year. It averages out, after you reduce/repeal some of the gasoline taxes.

The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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HOLY CARP!!!
Mikhailoh
Feb 20 2009, 10:33 AM
Yep. I'd charge those money grubbing hybrid driving bastards double. Cheap sumbitches.
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