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Its Bush's Fault
Topic Started: Jan 26 2009, 02:58 AM (229 Views)
jon-nyc
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Cheers
Says Putin.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aDXcPgxAoH3s&refer=home

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PhJ
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"Otpimistic on Obama"

hmm, isn't Brezenski supposed to be one of Obama's foreign policy advisors ?
Because if he is, I doubt Putin has much to rejoice about.
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Mikhailoh
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
Interesting background I was unaware of: (From Wiki)

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As stated by the former director of the CIA and current Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, in his memoirs From the Shadows, the American intelligence services began to aid the rebel factions in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet deployment. On July 3, 1979, US President Jimmy Carter signed an executive order authorizing the CIA to conduct covert propaganda operations against the communist regime.

Carter advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski stated "According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the mujahideen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, December 24, 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise." Brzezinski himself played a fundamental role in crafting U.S. policy, which, unbeknownst even to the mujahideen, was part of a larger strategy "to induce a Soviet military intervention." In a 1998 interview with Le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski recalled: "We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would...That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap...The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War."[19]

Additionally, on July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[20] As a part of the Central Intelligence Agency program Operation Cyclone, the massive arming of Afghanistan's mujahideen was started.[21]


So this is Carter the peacemaker?!?!?
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PhJ
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Obama adviser compares Putin to Hitler

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Frank_W
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PhJ
Jan 26 2009, 04:00 AM
Yeah... Rhetoric like that is sure helpful, isn't it?

Refreshing. Scintillating, even. Not unlike a good aftershave... :tongue: :rolleyes2:
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Renauda
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No surprise here, but I agree with Mr. Putin. My judgement of Obama is based on whether he reverses the Bush Administration's reckless policy regarding Ukraine and Georgia.
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jon-nyc
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As I've said here before, I agree that bringing Ukraine and Georgia into Nato is a bad idea.
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Mikhailoh
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I really don't see how bringing these nations into NATO can be seen as anything BUT an effort to hedge Russia in. Putin's response is not surprising.
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ivorythumper
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Mikhailoh
Jan 26 2009, 03:53 AM
Interesting background I was unaware of: (From Wiki)

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As stated by the former director of the CIA and current Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, in his memoirs From the Shadows, the American intelligence services began to aid the rebel factions in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet deployment. On July 3, 1979, US President Jimmy Carter signed an executive order authorizing the CIA to conduct covert propaganda operations against the communist regime.

Carter advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski stated "According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the mujahideen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, December 24, 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise." Brzezinski himself played a fundamental role in crafting U.S. policy, which, unbeknownst even to the mujahideen, was part of a larger strategy "to induce a Soviet military intervention." In a 1998 interview with Le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski recalled: "We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would...That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap...The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War."[19]

Additionally, on July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[20] As a part of the Central Intelligence Agency program Operation Cyclone, the massive arming of Afghanistan's mujahideen was started.[21]


So this is Carter the peacemaker?!?!?
Don't tell Quirt that -- last week he was blaming the Republicans for cozying up.
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Renauda
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HOLY CARP!!!
Mikhailoh
Jan 26 2009, 03:53 AM
Interesting background I was unaware of: (From Wiki)

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In a 1998 interview with Le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski recalled: "We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would...That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap...The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War."[19]

Additionally, on July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[20] As a part of the Central Intelligence Agency program Operation Cyclone, the massive arming of Afghanistan's mujahideen was started.[21]


Blow back time Zbig:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/01/26/obama-afghanistan.html
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