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| Kincaid | Jan 26 2009, 02:00 PM Post #26 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Except that for years California was entirely on their own. Then more recently a few states signed on w/them. There was still a small enough market for those vehicles that the automakers would put out California-compliant and non-California-compliant vehicles. I think only after Bush was elected did all 13 states join with California and Bush has held them back from implementing the regulations. As long as they were held back the automakers continued with business as usual regarding emissions requirements. Now most likely the automakers will just put out one vehicle - California compliant. Again, is this good or bad? I don't know. |
| Kincaid - disgusted Republican Partisan since 2006. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 26 2009, 02:54 PM Post #27 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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I understand the conservative thinking on this, but I have to tell you.. California did an AMAZING job of cleaning up air pollution, at least where I used to live in the San Gabriel Valley, the near eastern suburbs of LA. I lived on the upslope of nearly 6K ft tall mountains. The summit was about 8 miles from my house as the crow flies, so in clear air they dominated the view. In the late 70's they just flat disappeared in the warmer weather - obscured by a thick pollution layer of greyish white. I have been out there off and on over the years, and the air there now in the summer is clear as a bell, which it NEVER was then. They are doing something right, and as pollution and smog worsen in all our cities, maybe we ought to take notice. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Kincaid | Jan 26 2009, 03:01 PM Post #28 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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First, is pollution really worsening in "all our cities"? I still think we are going about it wrong. I can't imagine that with current pollution controls that it is manufacturing that would be causing any worsening smog. Aren't we being told that manufacturing is all going overseas? How can it be getting worse overall? So, doesn't that just leave us with autos? If so, pollution emissions on new cars has been fantastically low for years now. It seems that the overwhelming amount of pollution is coming from so-called "gross polluters", those old vehicles, usually old enough that they aren't required to pass any DEQ tests, that just belch out particulates and other fumes. Congress and the EPA continually push stricter laws on new vehicle emissions rather than getting rid of gross-polluters. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 26 2009, 03:15 PM Post #29 |
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Air quality sure is worse where I live. |
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| Kincaid | Jan 26 2009, 03:15 PM Post #30 |
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This article is from 2001, but I think the examples still hold.
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| Kincaid | Jan 26 2009, 03:21 PM Post #31 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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From an article in 2000.
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| brenda | Jan 26 2009, 03:23 PM Post #32 |
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So poor air quality seems to be following you, Mik. Is there something we need to know? |
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| Kincaid | Jan 26 2009, 03:26 PM Post #33 |
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Has the trend reversed since 2004? Back then the EPA said air quality was the best ever since 1970. http://www.edcmag.com/Articles/Industry_News/7b42db719c697010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____ |
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| Frank_W | Jan 26 2009, 03:27 PM Post #34 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Mik, you haven't even had any of my chili, dude!
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Kincaid | Jan 26 2009, 03:32 PM Post #35 |
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From 2002. Geez it's hard to find current stuff.
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| Kincaid | Jan 26 2009, 03:37 PM Post #36 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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This is an interesting link: http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/ You can find local air quality trends here, Mik. Which I found in this interesting article: http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDNiNDIyODI0NTdiMjRlY2UyMTYxMmRiY2YyMzk4ZWY= |
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| Kincaid | Jan 26 2009, 03:42 PM Post #37 |
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Well, this seems to say that at least nationally, air pollution continues to decline. http://www.epa.gov/airtrends/sixpoll.html |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 26 2009, 05:31 PM Post #38 |
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We got a Democratic senator. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 26 2009, 06:03 PM Post #39 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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You got a Democratic Senator, so Bush sent you pollution? |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 26 2009, 06:04 PM Post #40 |
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No. He insists on coming back to the state. |
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