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I Give Up; Maybe gays shouldn't be allowed to marry
Topic Started: Jan 25 2009, 04:34 PM (441 Views)
Bernard
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This infuriates me. I want to scream. :veryangry:

Why can't people (including homosexuals) be reasonable!? How can these couples expect to ever win over those that are uncomfortable with gay marriage? How can these couples dare to ask for the right to be who they are YET deny others that which they are fighting for: freedom? It's like people who fight for the right to choose but denigrate those that decide not to abort.

And WHY are schools teaching about marriage in the first place? Doesn't that blur the boundaries between state and religion?

I am discouraged.



Homosexual Couple Win Legal Battle Against Church Group Over Use of Church's Property For Ceremony
Posted by: Craig Alexander | 01/02/2009 6:43 AM


The advocates for same sex marriage in California routinely disclaim any goal of trumping the rights of religious citizens, including those who disagree with them. Yet the actions of members of the homosexual community speak much louder than their words.


One of the hotly debated issues in the last election over Proposition 8 was the potential role of same sex marriage in education and freedom of religion in California. The concern of many pro-Prop. 8 folks (myself included) is that legalized same sex marriage will require even stronger laws (created by legislature or the courts - more likely both) mandating the teaching of same sex marriage in public schools as a normative lifestyle even over the objections of parents. Advocates of same sex marriage responded to this concern by scoffing at Yes on Prop. 8 folks by stating that our concerns were overblown.


Yet during the campaign the Yes on Prop. 8 proponents pointed out through their TV ads that this situation is exactly what happened in Massachusetts shortly after its State Supreme Court legalized same sex marriage. In fact one father who objected to this teaching by his child's school was arrested and placed in jail. Also, during the lead up to the November 4th election, almost an entire class of elementary school children were taken to San Francisco City Hall for the Mayor to preside over a lesbian couple's marriage. It was called, by one of the teachers, a "teachable moment."


Another concern of supporters of traditional marriage is that legalized same sex marriage will allow lawsuits against churches who refuse to perform homosexual marriages to go forward. Again the scoffers of No on Prop. 8 said that this was not their goal, our concerns were overblown and that such a thing will not happen in California.


Once again the actions of homosexual activists are proving to be louder than their words. In New Jersey (which has civil unions for homosexuals) a lesbian couple have won their first round of legal battles in court against a church group that refused to allow them to use their facility for a ceremony. The church group did so on the grounds that permitting such an act would be in violation of their deeply held religious beliefs and the tenants of their faith.


However, the New Jersey Division on Civil Rights has ruled that the church group's refusal to rent their property to the couple violated the couple's rights, specifically the public accommodation provisions of the state's anti-discrimination laws. The couple's attorney stated that this fight is about his clients' being treated equally. Never mind the deeply held religious convictions of the church and its members. Never mind their freedom of religion, freedom of assembly and freedom of speech rights under the Constitution - not to mention their property rights, all trumped by the lesbian couple's right to their "ceremony" on the church's grounds.


In California the same Supreme Court that brought us same sex marriage also ruled against a doctor who declined to perform fertility treatments to a same sex couple on several grounds including her religious beliefs. The Court ruled that the doctor's sincerely held religious beliefs are trumped by the lesbian couple's sexual preference rights under the Unruh Act. I doubt the same California Supreme Court who threw out the people's will in Prop. 22 would find it difficult to also throw out any religious exemptions under the Unruh Act that may still exist citing the legality of same sex marriage for justification for its actions.


This situation is a clear example that when a state recognizes same sex marriage, it is interfering with religious freedoms too.
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Bernard
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Actually, I'm not going to give up because I think these incidents, though loud and obnoxious are the doings of just a small percentage of the gay population.

I believe most gays really want to live in peace with everyone else and NOT force religions to accomodate them.

OK, a little calmer now.

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George K
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Bernard, come to Chicago. I'll pour you some good Scotch, and you can chill (it's 3 degrees out there tonight!)
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brenda
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Or Minnesooooota, we have The Glenmorangie poured tonight.

You're both invited. :cheers:
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Frank_W
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Bernard... I don't know if it's quite the same, and in fact, I'm sure it's not, but the antics of a minority of idiots on sports bikes is causing a lot of harsh regulation to be passed against all motorcyclists. I feel the same kind of outrage, albeit, probably not as deeply or as fervently as you feel about gay rights and discrimination against gays.

Anyway... A brotherly hug and :cheers: to you.
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Bernard
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Jan 25 2009, 04:47 PM
Bernard, come to Chicago. I'll pour you some good Scotch, and you can chill (it's 3 degrees out there tonight!)
It sounds good George (including the 3 degrees, I'm from NE).
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Bernard
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And Brenda, yummy yum yum.

Thanks Frank. I appreaciate that.
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A few crazy pilots flew into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, as a result only a handful of pilots can fly within 20 miles of DC.

One guy had an unsuccessful shoe bomb in his shoes. Now everyone in the country has to take their shoes off while boarding a commercial flight.

The crazy minority can have an amazingly large influence.
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Larry
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Bernard, I am impressed. I've sat here and tried to tell you why my respect for you has gone up tenfold, but everything I write sounds silly.. :D So I will simply say you are quite a guy..

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NAK
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You know Bernard, you're alright...for a heathen. :D

Have a :cheers: on me...I mean, I'll pay for it...wait, that's worse. :help:
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Bernard
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Jan 25 2009, 07:51 PM
Bernard, I am impressed. I've sat here and tried to tell you why my respect for you has gone up tenfold, but everything I write sounds silly.. :D So I will simply say you are quite a guy..

Well, thank you very much Larry. I appreciate your saying so.

And NAK, I'm no heathen, what on earth makes you think that? :)
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I'm a heathen. Just ask my parents, any of my teachers that I had whilst growing up, or any of the clergymen that I dealt with as a child and teenager. :devilgrin:
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