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Kittens as bait?
Topic Started: Jan 25 2009, 04:03 PM (661 Views)
Klaus
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I'm also a hobby fisherman, but I am strongly opposed to using living fish or mammals as bait, and also the perverse practice of "catch&release". Humans have the right to kill animals, but they don't have the right to treat living beings disrespectfully.
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Jan 26 2009, 04:57 AM


Animals eat other animals. It is the way of the world. Animals eat other animals, of course it's the way of the world, but what they don't do, and what they don't even understand, is what cruelty and suffering is. They don't pontificate on it, they don't philosophise on it. Only humans of all animals, have empathy for the suffering of other sentient creatures.

Humans should live up to the enlightened creatures we are rather than living down to the level of animals.

Incidentally, it's worth mentioning that Macaque monkeys have been shown to exhibit empathy for the suffering of their fellow creatures.
Havent elephants been known to exhibit empathtic behaviors as well?

Frank beat me to it. Humans may be empathetic, but we are the only species that is not only deliberately cruel, but DELIGHTS in the imparting of suffering. A cat may play with a mouse for sport, and the mouse suffers, but the cat isnt doing it to get off on making the mouse suffer. The mouse is just triggering the cat's hunting instincts. But humans will torture and kill animals for fun, the fun of watching it suffer. Are we calling that enlightened?

I think there's a lot of good stuff to be learned from animals, that we could better ourselves by emulating. I'm not so sure the 'up' and 'down' directions are all that cut and dried.

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Jan 26 2009, 05:51 AM
Humans have the right to kill animals, but they don't have the right to treat living beings disrespectfully.
Interesting remark. Where is this 'right' defined? I just looked up the word 'right' at webster and I find it a curious one to throw around on this issue. I'm not trying to be pedantic here, and I'm not saying we shouldnt kill animals. We do it because we want to and because we can. I dont think there's a "right" issue involved. Animals have just as much "right" to kill us. Meet up with a grizzly bear in the woods, armed with simply a hunting knife, and discuss with him this notion of rights.
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If God didn't want us to eat His animal friends, why'd He make them out of MEAT?! :shrug: :unsure:



Yeah yeah... I know... I'm going straight to Hell. (At least all of my friends will be there.)
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Quagmire
Jan 26 2009, 08:18 AM
Klaus
Jan 26 2009, 05:51 AM
Humans have the right to kill animals, but they don't have the right to treat living beings disrespectfully.
Interesting remark. Where is this 'right' defined? I just looked up the word 'right' at webster and I find it a curious one to throw around on this issue. I'm not trying to be pedantic here, and I'm not saying we shouldnt kill animals. We do it because we want to and because we can. I dont think there's a "right" issue involved. Animals have just as much "right" to kill us. Meet up with a grizzly bear in the woods, armed with simply a hunting knife, and discuss with him this notion of rights.
I didn't mean "right" in the legal but in a moral sense. As for any question of morality, I can't point to any rock-solid non-religious moral principle from which this "right" could be derived, so I guess eventually it boils down to just being my personal opinion.
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Jan 26 2009, 08:11 AM
Are we calling that enlightened?

I think there's a lot of good stuff to be learned from animals, that we could better ourselves by emulating. I'm not so sure the 'up' and 'down' directions are all that cut and dried.

I totally agree about the up and down directions. I only say that for those who would use nature as some sort of excuse for human cruelty. I think when a human being is called an "animal", it's not really comparing them to animals as such - it's far worse due to our intelligence and our capacity for empathy. For a human being to act as an animal apparently does, is not the same thing at all.

I've heard the argument before that animals kill other animals to eat, that nature is cruel and so on. Of course the very idea of cruelty for its own end, is something that only humans are really capable of and the fact that we have so many forms of torture - if you're ever in London, visit the Tower - speaks volumes with regards to Man's willingness to commit unspeakable acts against his own species as well as any other.
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Jan 26 2009, 08:23 AM
If God didn't want us to eat His animal friends, why'd He make them out of MEAT?! :shrug: :unsure:



Yeah yeah... I know... I'm going straight to Hell. (At least all of my friends will be there.)
Yes, all your animal friends - you'll be the entrée :D
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Served up on a big platter with an apple in my mouth? :lol2:
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