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| Microscope - what can we look at?; I need ideas! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 24 2009, 01:00 PM (418 Views) | |
| dolmansaxlil | Jan 24 2009, 01:00 PM Post #1 |
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I bought Liam a little microscope for Christmas - I think it's 600x on the highest setting. We haven't really done much with it, other than the slides it comes with. I think tomorrow, I may do up a bunch of slides so we can do more with it. I have shrimp brine, so I'll make some of that up. I know we can look at onion skin (thank you grade 9 science class! I need to pick up some iodine for that...) Can we see anything if I start up some yeast? What other household things could we check out? |
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| Frank_W | Jan 24 2009, 01:03 PM Post #2 |
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Skin, insect parts, hair, vegetable/fruit peel scrapings... |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Mark | Jan 24 2009, 01:14 PM Post #3 |
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pond scum is cool. |
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___.___ (_]===* o 0 When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells | |
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| kenny | Jan 24 2009, 01:22 PM Post #4 |
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BTW use the low power objectives. Unless you spent tens of thousands of dollars the higher powers will have low resolution. Tons of stuff is fascinating at 10 to 60x. Pull a hair out and look at the root Blood Compare the cloth fibers in wool, cotton, polyester etc. Pond scum, opps it's winter. Paper currency and coins House plant root tips Dust from the floor in the corner before vacuuming it up Something from your vacuum bag Scrape some jam from between your toes or under your toenails. Finger nail clippings That spooge under the keys of an old acoustic piano. Rust Compare beef, chicken and fish up close Watch bubbles pop from a coke "Catch" live bugs, ants, flies, fleas, carpet beetles with tape and watch them squirm under the scope Everything around you is fascinating up close. |
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| sue | Jan 24 2009, 01:26 PM Post #5 |
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yum I wonder what ear wax looks like |
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| kenny | Jan 24 2009, 01:29 PM Post #6 |
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EXACTLY A microscope is a new pair of eyes after living blind, in a sense. I worked with a fine one for 25 years and it is soooooooo cool to have one. Get a good light source too if you can. A small pointed source is bad. A larger source is better, and a ring-light is best. You need a very bright light. Good lighting can do so much to help resolve detail. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jan 24 2009, 01:49 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks, guys. I really don't have a lot of experience with them. Liam seems to be very science minded (or maybe all kids are) and I'd like to encourage that exploration. I'm just not sure what I'm doing, so I need help getting him started! Kenny, I tried the 600x, and it's REALLY hard to see anything. The other lenses are much easier. I'm glad to hear I don't have to worry about the fact that the 600x seems blurry no matter what I do - the other lenses should suit us just fine! |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 24 2009, 01:53 PM Post #8 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Dead bugs are cool. They have science fiction bodies. Hairy little buggers they are, too. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Mark | Jan 24 2009, 01:53 PM Post #9 |
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Kenny is a geek! But then so am I. I have a vintage laboratory grade professional trinocular telescope from AO Spencer. It has very high quality objective lenses and a real good pair of 10x eyepieces which are interchangeable with lower and higher power eyepieces. The "trinocular" ascpect of this telescope is a third viewing tube so one can attach a camera to it to photograph the very small things in the universe. I have not played around with it in a few years now but I did take some photographs with it. ![]() All of the mechanics in this thing are top notch in quality, smoothness and precision. More parts that came with it when I purchased it. http://www.pcsincnet.com/microscope_parts/index.html Last photo I took with it was a close up of a Silver Liberty Dollar. The lighting was a real challenge. ![]() |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jan 24 2009, 02:00 PM Post #10 |
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Ok - I'm going to admit to my ignorance about this. I thought when you looked through something with a microscope it had to be transparent?? I remember cutting things down to paper-thin so we could look at them. And the onion skin thing - we had to pull off one little layer so we could see the cells with the light shining through. Am I wrong? |
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| Mark | Jan 24 2009, 02:01 PM Post #11 |
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Yes you are wrong. My photograph proves it.
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| Mark | Jan 24 2009, 02:02 PM Post #12 |
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Looking at coins is a cool thing to do with a microscope btw.
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| sue | Jan 24 2009, 02:14 PM Post #13 |
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You have cool toys, Mark. To answer dol's question, is it because of the lighting capability of the professional type microscopes? |
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| kenny | Jan 24 2009, 02:20 PM Post #14 |
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Subjects need to be transparent if you want light them from below. (This is the lowest-cost, simplest light source for entry-level microscopes.) You can also fit special lights to shine from above. Very fancy microscopes ($50,000+) send light through the body of the scope and into the objective itself. The objective is the lens at the bottom of the scope. Others, usually lower power stereo microscopes, have an external halogen bulb and a fiber-optic snake that delivers the light to a ring-light screwed to the bottom of the objective. Example, this light source alone would cost perhaps $500 to $1500. ![]() You can spend a fortune on lighting. For something affordable I'd recommend experimenting with an 18" fluorescent tube fixture and placing it just above the stage but above the bottom of the objective so light can't shine directly into the bottom of the scope. A curved white business card (perhaps covered with aluminum foil) could be placed on the other side of the stage to reflect some light into the other side of whatever you are looking at. Hours of fun. Cool scope Mark.
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| Mark | Jan 24 2009, 02:27 PM Post #15 |
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Not really Sue. I used a single 40watt incandescent light bulb in my desk lamp (you know the scissor lift type with springs on it?) and as Kenny pointed out some reflective surfaces surrounding the object. I lit it from the top and sides using a single bulb and sheets of copier paper. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jan 24 2009, 02:59 PM Post #16 |
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Well, Liam's microscope is specifically for kids, and it's lit from below. If he really enjoys it, I'll look into something spiffier. For the time being, he's happy with it! |
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| kenny | Jan 24 2009, 03:08 PM Post #17 |
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That sound good Dol. ![]() I'm just saying you can greatly expand what he can look (to include stuff that requires lighting from above) at with almost no expense. This will result in him getting much more enjoyment and stimulation from it. You two could even make it a fun project using a CFL bulb (for low heat) and build a light box out of cardboard and aluminum foil for next to nothing. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jan 24 2009, 03:12 PM Post #18 |
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Ok - we'll see how it goes. I'm sure he'd like a building project (as evidenced by the cardboard car that is in my livingroom that he has been constructing and adding to for the past month. It's a good thing I have no desire to have a show home!) I may come back and ask more about how to do that. Maybe over March Break, when I have more than a couple hours free at a time.
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| kenny | Jan 24 2009, 03:15 PM Post #19 |
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Hey Dol. If you make it up here to London I could try to make a lighting box in the shop if you bring the microscope with you. I can't imagine it would take long. Slap me around if I'm being pushy. I just think it is so cool to see stuff under a scope. Another world that few have experienced awaits Liam. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jan 24 2009, 03:29 PM Post #20 |
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You're not being pushy at all! I just have no idea what I'm doing, so I do appreciate the help! Will a lighting box work with Liam's little microscope?
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| kenny | Jan 24 2009, 03:33 PM Post #21 |
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Sure. It would be light and portable and he'd place the object on the stage, then place the light box over/around it. The box would just rest on the table and make a semi-good seal at the top so light from it would not blind him as he looks into the scope. Easy Peasy. I t hink a round large Coffee can would be a smart start. - I have one at school. Since it is metal it is already light reflective. It is already round and rigid and a good height to start with. Hey, I coincidently actually already have a little fluoresecent fixture with 3 extra bulbs i can contribute. The fixture stand broke and I can make it work for this. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jan 24 2009, 03:36 PM Post #22 |
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I'm trying really hard to picture it. Just not getting there. My mum buys coffee in big cans. Shall I tell her to save her next one for me? |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jan 24 2009, 03:37 PM Post #23 |
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Just read your edit - As long as I can bring the microscope to you so you can show me what the heck to do with it! I'm sure Liam would appreciate it!
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| kenny | Jan 24 2009, 03:40 PM Post #24 |
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Yes, your coffee can may be larger, or shaped more usefully, than the one I have in the shop. Can you take some measurements? . . . Total height Height at the stage Circumference or diameter at the largest part of the body The Circumference or diameter half way up near the focusing knob. |
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| dolmansaxlil | Jan 24 2009, 03:49 PM Post #25 |
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Ok, the microscope can be placed at an angle, so I'm giving you two measurements for some of those: Total height: 9 1/2" Height at stage: 2 1/2" Diameter of largest part of body (with eyepiece in the straight up position): 5"ish Diameter of largest part of body (with eyepiece angled out): 6 1/2"ish (but total front to back diameter if you include the eyepiece, which is quite a bit higher up is 8"ish) Diameter near focusing knob: 4"ish Diameter near focusing knob (with eyepiece angled out): 6 1/2"ish |
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