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Topic Started: Jan 23 2009, 08:30 PM (490 Views)
Larry
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The ad below is real. The facts in the ad are true.
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I'll be back to discuss it after some have commented.... The blacked out spot was blacked ouot for a reason, you'll understand later...
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I wouldn't put it past the media to keep something like this under wraps. For what reason, I cannot give and educated answer. Just theories. For example, I've always had an idea in the back of my mind that many of the supposed "gang related" assaults in my area are labeled as such to make the people living nearby feel more at ease than they would if there was just a series of random robberies and murders hitting the lower mainland. It distances people from the crimes.

But what do I know?
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After a bit of forensic Goggling I located *what* is blacked out.

Not a pretty picture to contemplate.
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I found it too, Ren, but I'm still in the dark. Care to enlighten me via PM?
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It doesn't take rocket surgery to follow this trail. And where does "govnn.com" lead?

Vanguard News Network - "No Jews. Just Right."

Seems to pretty much be an equal-opportunity hate network for everyone except whites. Owned and operated by a gentleman by the name of Alex Linder, who seems to be bent on carrying on the good work of Adolf.

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Ah, so it wasn't a joke. I thought the site was a mock-up, to be honest.

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There goes even more of my faith in humanity.
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Regardless of the source, if the story is true it is beyond horrendous.
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+1

However, it seems that the point is how the national news media hasn't played it up. In a nation of 300 million people, somehow the failure to make THIS individual story a national news item is evidence of media bias.

I do remember reading something about it, though. The drain cleaner/trash can part rings a bell.
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It is true that white on minority/gay crime gets a lot more coverage than the other way around. I remember the beating in the stands at a football game near Chicago. It was savage, and there was clear videotape. The tape never hit the air. But Jesse Jackson trying to get these animals off with charges of racism (it was black on black crime?!?!) was all over the place.

On a related note, sooner or later gang culture is going to have to be stamped out for good.
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Snopes says 'True', but says some of the details are questionable and is skeptical of the charges of media bias.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp
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Presumably the point is to link this kind of filth to the stuff Kathy posted about Israel.
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We have national mainstream media that would rather report OJ Simpson car chase and OJ Simpson trial than, say, the ethnic cleansing and famine affecting millions in Rwanda and Sierra Leon.

Actually, strike that.

We have a citizenry that would rather watch "news" of OJ Simpson car chase and OJ Simpson trial than, say, the news of ethnic cleansing and famine affecting millions in Rwanda and Sierra Leon.

Why should this be surprising?
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The media is foul...
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Jan 24 2009, 07:36 AM
The media is foul...
I don't think the web-site covering the original article ought to be flattered with the term 'media'.

Blaming a 'media conspiracy' for this type of crime not being reported is, as Snopes notes, rather implausible. 'Conspiracy' is usually used as an excuse by people who don't see their own particular pet peeves reported. It's also worth noting the use of the word 'sub-human' in the original article. I believe the Nazis used to use the term 'Untermensch'.

The media may be foul, but the foulness is insignificant compared to the 'truth' covered by this site.

I think Larry's point in showing this site was to point out the power of racist propaganda. The best propaganda doesn't need to outright lie, just distort.
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Makes sense, John.
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Jan 24 2009, 07:50 AM


I think Larry's point in showing this site was to point out the power of racist propaganda.
Funny, but I didn't think that was Larry's point. Maybe Larry will elucidate.
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Jan 23 2009, 08:30 PM
I'll be back to discuss it after some have commented.... The blacked out spot was blacked ouot for a reason, you'll understand later...
I'm not at all surprised that it wasn't in the media.

The media don't pick up missing persons/sexual assault cases because they care, or because they think people should know about what happened, or even to help law enforcement catch the criminals. They pick them up for ratings. There are so many violent sexual assault cases that never make the light of day because the news doesn't consider the stories marketable enough. Why do you think that all the missing persons cases on Nancy Grace, etc. involve young, pretty women from well-to-do families? It's sick but they know that people will be much more interested in those cases than those of poor minorities (which, by the way, make up the majority of missing persons cases).


To sum up, I'm sure this wasn't in the news simply because they didn't think they could make enough money on the story.
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I think Larry's point in showing this site was to point out the power of racist propaganda. The best propaganda doesn't need to outright lie, just distort.


Give the man a prize.

The truth is, the media *did* cover this story. They didn't dwell on it for weeks on end, because the victims were both dead when the story broke, the perps were behind bars. No "ongoing saga" to continue talking about.

But long after the fact - long after the media had done their job, long after the dead had been buried and the criminals had been locked up, along comes a group who uses the situation to stir up racial conflict. They have an agenda - that agenda was never exposed during the time they attempted to play on people's emotions and stir up sympathy for their "cause".

The people who were influenced by this campaign by these racists would probably object to being called racists - the fact remains that a lot of people in this area joined their bandwagon on this issue, the general view they held being "I don't hate black people, but they're the reason crime is so high around here".

Lots of people, decent, caring people, began supporting arguments that were bigoted toward blacks, attempting to justify their defense of these arguments by citing the propaganda these people spread in the city. But even worse - many who held bigoted views already but kept them to themselves found it easy to say the things they normally kept to themselves. It enabled them to express views they had long held but kept quiet about because prior to the ad campaign by this hate group, their views wouldn't have been accepted.

It was the removal of this societal boundary that allowed the bigotry that was beneath the surface for some to spread and infect many others who normally wouldn't have accepted it. One of Kathy's big concerns, a concern constantly mentioned by those whose side she has chosen to support - is "where is the media". She has stated this quite clearly, and told us repeatedly that her main mission is to educate people about the "truth" the media isn't telling us.

These people claimed they wanted to "educate everyone to the truth" also. So they took a few facts, blended them with some propaganda, and launched a campaign designed to play on the emotions of those unable to see what they were doing. The result - for quite a while being black wasn't something you wanted to be in Knoxville.

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Jan 24 2009, 08:03 AM
Larry
Jan 23 2009, 08:30 PM
I'll be back to discuss it after some have commented.... The blacked out spot was blacked ouot for a reason, you'll understand later...
I'm not at all surprised that it wasn't in the media.

The media don't pick up missing persons/sexual assault cases because they care, or because they think people should know about what happened, or even to help law enforcement catch the criminals. They pick them up for ratings. There are so many violent sexual assault cases that never make the light of day because the news doesn't consider the stories marketable enough. Why do you think that all the missing persons cases on Nancy Grace, etc. involve young, pretty women from well-to-do families? It's sick but they know that people will be much more interested in those cases than those of poor minorities (which, by the way, make up the majority of missing persons cases).


To sum up, I'm sure this wasn't in the news simply because they didn't think they could make enough money on the story.
The plain and simple truth.

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We have national mainstream media that would rather report OJ Simpson car chase and OJ Simpson trial than, say, the ethnic cleansing and famine affecting millions in Rwanda and Sierra Leon.

Actually, strike that.

We have a citizenry that would rather watch "news" of OJ Simpson car chase and OJ Simpson trial than, say, the news of ethnic cleansing and famine affecting millions in Rwanda and Sierra Leon.

Why should this be surprising?


I think both arguments are true. It's sort of a chicken-or-the-egg problem. The news won't report what the public shows no interest in, and the public isn't interested because it isn't in the news. Commercialization by sensationalism can make anything sell. Look at Hotel Rwanda. That movie almost made some people pretend to give a shi*t. Even better, look at Terry Schiavo. I rest my case.
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Let me put and end to the "the media didn't report it" line of reasoning. The media *did* report it. It was national news, and it was discussed for several days.

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Jan 24 2009, 08:45 AM
Let me put and end to the "the media didn't report it" line of reasoning. The media *did* report it. It was national news, and it was discussed for several days.

Oh...well then.

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Larry
Jan 24 2009, 08:45 AM
Let me put and end to the "the media didn't report it" line of reasoning. The media *did* report it. It was national news, and it was discussed for several days.

But how was it treated in the mainstream press?

As a multiple homicide or as hate crime against whites?

That's point of this whole thread is it not?
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I don't recall the media reporting it as a hate crime, just a double homicide.
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So what motivated these people to murder this couple? Need for spare cash? Drug induced intoxication? Lust? Stupidity? Boredom?

Surely not racism?
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Jan 24 2009, 06:53 AM
We have national mainstream media that would rather report OJ Simpson car chase and OJ Simpson trial than, say, the ethnic cleansing and famine affecting millions in Rwanda and Sierra Leon.
Probably because a significant portion of the population couldn't tell you where Rwanda and Sierra Leon are, and probably couldn't care less.

Keep in mind, most here assume the general population to be as smart or smarter than they. This place is in no way representative of the population in general. What concerns folks here, would probably get a collective yawn from the majority of people on the street. To me, this is why OJ Simpson car chase stories garner more atttention than the ethnic cleansing and famine affecting millions in Rwanda and Sierra Leon.
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