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| Frank_W | Jan 22 2009, 12:03 PM Post #76 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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I've never connected the two. I think that the invasion of Iraq was a case of unfortunate timing. I may be wrong, but I don't recall any official claim that the two were connected, either. Eh... Then again, I don't watch TV. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 22 2009, 12:53 PM Post #77 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Darth Cheney, in particular, tried to link the two. As just three examples: "There's overwhelming evidence there was a connection between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government. I am very confident that there was an established relationship there." - Vice President Cheney, 1/22/04 "There was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda." Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03 "I think it's not surprising that people make that connection between Saddam and 9/11" - Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03 |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Frank_W | Jan 22 2009, 12:59 PM Post #78 |
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Hrmmm... Well, there is evidence that there was contact between Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda. Exactly what the nature of that contact was, and to what extent... That's the real question, isn't it? The media and politicians employ this sick tactic all the time, though: Taking the merest sliver of truth and then pouring a flood of supposition over it and making tenuous extrapolations from it, and then passing such things off as truth in order to manipulate the minds and views of the public. And this is precisely one of the primary reasons why I don't watch TV anymore. |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 22 2009, 01:07 PM Post #79 |
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you can go back to ignoring me, but folks are suggesting just that sort of thing. |
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| OperaTenor | Jan 22 2009, 01:19 PM Post #80 |
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First, can you show me where in that article the author suggests we negotiate with bin Laden? He alludes to exactly the opposite.
Aside from that, I disagree with his premise. The Taliban, Hezbollah and Hamas are fundamentalist extremist groups and cannot be negotiated with Second, labeling this guy(never heard of him) as speaking for the left as whole is erroneously painting with a pretty broad brush, so I hope you're not attempting to do that. |
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| QuirtEvans | Jan 22 2009, 01:21 PM Post #81 |
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Can I go back to ignoring you after I explain that Hamas and the Taliban are not the same as Osama bin Laden? You remember him ... the guy who took out the WTC? Curiously enough, bin Laden's name doesn't even appear in the article. Perhaps you were hoping that no one would read it? |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 22 2009, 01:44 PM Post #82 |
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My opinion of what? That there was a battle of semantics over the use of the term? Do you have any reason for doubting that? That is something one can bet on? None of that has to do with the issue. It is about the terminology which Obama uses. Are you honestly not following what I've said here? I support Obama both in the use of term and the point of waging war against our enemies. It is the Left that shows itself to be hypocritical if they accept the same semantics coming from Obama that they attack Bush for using. Any other point you are trying to make causes me to wonder why you seem opposed to mental masturbation when you seem so eager to get it on. |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 22 2009, 01:48 PM Post #83 |
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Which is basically saying nothing to the point of the question. Never was it mentioned about conventional military tactics or strategy. It is simply about the applicability of the term "war" as a protracted military action against hostiles to the matter of fighting international terrorism. Do you or do you not think that the term is used coherently? |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 22 2009, 02:01 PM Post #84 |
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Since I never suggested that he was speaking for the Left as a whole (when it is obvious that no one person does), you might want to get that reading comprehension tested. You simply suggested "I don't recall EVER seeing anyone suggest we should negotiate with Osama bin Laden." Given that the Taliban is supporting and protecting bin Laden, I was simply giving you some references since you didn't recall EVER seeing anyone suggest we should negotiate with Osama bin Laden. The Taliban supported and protected Bin Laden before 9/11, and their refusal to turn him over then was the cause for the sanctions against the Taliban, as it is now. And of course just today Ghaddafi advised Obama to negotiate with Bin Laden, so you can now be sure that some people are suggesting that we negotiate with Bin Laden. |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 22 2009, 02:08 PM Post #85 |
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The Taliban has supported and protect Bin Laden since before 9/11. You obviously missed the language of " folks are suggesting just that sort of thing". That sort of thing is different from "that exact thing".You make it more difficult to discuss things when you don't evince a basic grasp of syntax. |
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| Mikhailoh | Jan 22 2009, 02:14 PM Post #86 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Ghaddafi is a few MORE bricks shy of a load these days. |
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| Renauda | Jan 22 2009, 02:19 PM Post #87 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Of course Ghaddafi wants Obama to negotiate with Bin Laden. Mumar is near the top of Osama's hit list of Arab secular tyrants to be overthrown in a sweeping and bloody pan Arab Islamic Revolution. |
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| ivorythumper | Jan 22 2009, 02:20 PM Post #88 |
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Oh no doubt about that. Just wanted to keep Quirt up to date on what he knows.
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