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Obama's "climate czar" has socialist ties; We tried to warn you.
Topic Started: Jan 11 2009, 10:53 PM (308 Views)
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Until last week, Carol M. Browner, President-elect Barack Obama's pick as global warming czar, was listed as one of 14 leaders of a socialist group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which calls for "global governance" and says rich countries must shrink their economies to address climate change.

By Thursday, Mrs. Browner's name and biography had been removed from Socialist International's Web page, though a photo of her speaking June 30 to the group's congress in Greece was still available.

Socialist International, an umbrella group for many of the world's social democratic political parties such as Britain's Labor Party, says it supports socialism and is harshly critical of U.S. policies.

The group's Commission for a Sustainable World Society, the organization's action arm on climate change, says the developed world must reduce consumption and commit to binding and punitive limits on greenhouse gas emissions.

Mr. Obama, who has said action on climate change would be a priority in his administration, tapped Mrs. Browner last month to fill a new position as White House coordinator of climate and energy policies. The appointment does not need Senate confirmation.

Mr. Obama's transition team said Mrs. Browner's membership in the organization is not a problem and that it brings experience in U.S. policymaking to her new role.

"The Commission for a Sustainable World Society includes world leaders from a variety of political parties, including British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who succeeded Tony Blair, in serving as vice president of the convening organization," Obama transition spokesman Nick Shapiro said.

"Carol Browner was chosen to help the president-elect coordinate energy and climate policy because she understands that our efforts to create jobs, achieve energy security and combat climate change demand integration among different agencies; cooperation between federal, state and local governments; and partnership with the private sector," Mr. Shapiro said in an e-mail.

Mrs. Browner ran the Environmental Protection Agency under President Clinton. Until she was tapped for the Obama administration, she was on the board of directors for the National Audubon Society, the League of Conservation Voters, the Center for American Progress and former Vice President Al Gore's Alliance for Climate Protection.

Her name has been removed from the Gore organization's Web site list of directors, and the Audubon Society issued a press release about her departure from that organization.
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Meanwhile, as Obama and his team prepare to reduce us to a third world nation chasing this socialist scheme, more data is coming in saying we're heading into an ice age.

The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science.

Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.

Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years.

Most of the long-term climate data collected from various sources also shows a strong correlation with the three astronomical cycles which are together known as the Milankovich cycles. The three Milankovich cycles include the tilt of the earth, which varies over a 41,000 year period; the shape of the earth’s orbit, which changes over a period of 100,000 years; and the Precession of the Equinoxes, also known as the earth’s ‘wobble’, which gradually rotates the direction of the earth’s axis over a period of 26,000 years. According to the Milankovich theory of Ice Age causation, these three astronomical cycles, each of which effects the amount of solar radiation which reaches the earth, act together to produce the cycle of cold Ice Age maximums and warm interglacials.

Elements of the astronomical theory of Ice Age causation were first presented by the French mathematician Joseph Adhemar in 1842, it was developed further by the English prodigy Joseph Croll in 1875, and the theory was established in its present form by the Serbian mathematician Milutin Milankovich in the 1920s and 30s. In 1976 the prestigious journal “Science” published a landmark paper by John Imbrie, James Hays, and Nicholas Shackleton entitled “Variations in the Earth's orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages,” which described the correlation which the trio of scientist/authors had found between the climate data obtained from ocean sediment cores and the patterns of the astronomical Milankovich cycles. Since the late 1970s, the Milankovich theory has remained the predominant theory to account for Ice Age causation among climate scientists, and hence the Milankovich theory is always described in textbooks of climatology and in encyclopaedia articles about the Ice Ages.
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It's good to hear we're getting more socialists in government.



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Move to Cuba where you'll be happier.

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Slovenia registered the lowest temperatures ever. At the Bohin resort, a half frozen weatherman standing outside, reported minus 49°C.

Slovenian Media have reported recommendations of the meteorological institute of Germany, which alarms over the risks of having piercings – the metal earrings on people’s body could cause dangerous freezing.

No metal objects attached to the body should be worn, warns the media, for people who must venture outside. For everyone else, Slovenian media urges its citizens to stay in their homes. //01.10.09


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Socialism ≠ Communism



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Wisconsin: record snow steals spotlight from frigid temps


Life at -78 degrees in Alaska


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Jan 11 2009, 11:08 PM
Socialism ≠ Communism

Yes, it does.

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I've been to Cuba, there are some seriously hot ladies there.
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Jan 11 2009, 11:05 PM
Move to Cuba where you'll be happier.

It appears that we'll be quite happy here, but thanks for the suggestion.

Honestly, though, in a globalized world, there are certain problems that MUST be dealt with on a globalized basis. Financial regulation, for example ... it does no good for the U.S. to place regulatory limits on banks' ability to invest in risky assets if those banks can just run offshore and conduct their activities without regulation. Pollution and global warming are the same ... as you and others have said before, it's not going to work the way we want it to work if we put limits on CO2 generation in the U.S. and Europe, but China and India continue to build coal-fired power plants. The problem has to be addressed in a coordinated, global fashion.

Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where we can afford to act unilaterally any more, on every issue. There are some issues that are just bigger than that. You may not like that ... you may think that it's socialism, or giving up our autonomy, or anything else ... but it's the only effective way to address some types of issues in today's world.

We don't live in the 19th century any more, and we can't pretend that we do.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Jan 12 2009, 02:12 AM
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Lots of nice antique cars too! :thumb:
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Yeah. But one of the biggest surprises I found (in 1997) was that the official taxis in Havana were mostly late model Mercedes Benz.
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Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where we can afford to act unilaterally any more, on every issue. There are some issues that are just bigger than that. You may not like that ... you may think that it's socialism, or giving up our autonomy, or anything else ... but it's the only effective way to address some types of issues in today's world.

We don't live in the 19th century any more, and we can't pretend that we do.


This has nothing to do with anything you wrote. It has to do with taking the wealth from those who worked for it away from them and giving it to people who didn't, using a proven scam to do it. There *is* no "global warming". There never has been. We're heading into an ice age if anything, and it has nothing to do with us, it has to do with the sun.

Geez..
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Jan 11 2009, 10:53 PM
Obama's "climate czar" has socialist ties; We tried to warn you.
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

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Jan 12 2009, 06:34 AM
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Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where we can afford to act unilaterally any more, on every issue. There are some issues that are just bigger than that. You may not like that ... you may think that it's socialism, or giving up our autonomy, or anything else ... but it's the only effective way to address some types of issues in today's world.

We don't live in the 19th century any more, and we can't pretend that we do.


This has nothing to do with anything you wrote. It has to do with taking the wealth from those who worked for it away from them and giving it to people who didn't, using a proven scam to do it. There *is* no "global warming". There never has been. We're heading into an ice age if anything, and it has nothing to do with us, it has to do with the sun.

Geez..
Some of us ... in fact, a majority of Americans ... are quite sure you have your facts wrong, your motivations wrong, and your recommendations wrong.

And, because we live in a democracy, we voted, and we won.

You'll have to live with the outcome of that, just as we did for the last eight years. I'm sure you won't be happy about it ... but we weren't happy for the last eight years, and we survived.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Jan 12 2009, 08:51 AM

And, because we live in a democracy, we voted, and we won.

This sounds like you're saying you didn't vote for McCain afterall? Are you not part of the 'we'?

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And, because we live in a democracy, we voted, and we won.

This sounds like you're saying you didn't vote for McCain afterall? Are you not part of the 'we'?

(Good morning, Quirt.)
I was talking about Congress and the Senate, sweetheart. :hearts:
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Some of us ... in fact, a majority of Americans ... are quite sure you have your facts wrong, your motivations wrong, and your recommendations wrong.

And, because we live in a democracy, we voted, and we won.


Point one: We voted in favor of bankrupting the nation over global warming?? When?

Point two: We voted that we agree that global warming even exists?? When? The last I read the majority of Americans doubt it.

Point three: If you think Obama winning is because those who voted support socialism, you're quite mistaken. He's done a lot of things right so far - but if he heads down *this* road, this time next year your darling president will be in deep trouble.

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Jan 12 2009, 09:07 AM
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And, because we live in a democracy, we voted, and we won.

This sounds like you're saying you didn't vote for McCain afterall? Are you not part of the 'we'?

(Good morning, Quirt.)
I was talking about Congress and the Senate, sweetheart. :hearts:
Just checking. I hated to have to tell you the bad news.

However, your additional remark about 'eight years' makes me think you are trying to do a quick save on this one. That's OK. Just wanted you to know I noticed.









The hearts thingie is scaring me, Quirt. It's a little out of character for you, at least in your correspondence with me. Is there anything I need to know about this change?
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LOL.

But seriously, I did check the box next to McCain's name. Honest to God.

And my best friend has told me he'll never forgive me for that.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Jan 12 2009, 09:24 AM
LOL.

But seriously, I did check the box next to McCain's name. Honest to God.

And my best friend has told me he'll never forgive me for that.
Well, try sending your friend one of the heart thingies. Maybe it will help?

Or may be it will only scare him, too?





BTW, I'll try a caffeine recovery program to get over this heart thingie incident. I had a dream about a roller coaster ride a couple nights ago, but this is far scarier. :hair:







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There *is* no "global warming". There never has been. We're heading into an ice age if anything, and it has nothing to do with us, it has to do with the sun.


This kind of unjustifiable certainty is the mark of a blind ideologue.

A slightly better statement would be "There is no evidence that human activities are influencing the climate" of course that statement is also trivially false. Better still and starting to sound reasonable would be:

"The evidence that human activities are influencing the climate is not strong enough to justify actions that would reduce economic growth".

Even better again would be to preface the above statement with:

"From what i can tell of the issue (and i have far from a comprehensive knowledge)..."

From there one could have some kind of reasonable dialogue. One could examine how much evidence you would need for limitations on carbon emission to be justified (that in turn would take into account how bad you deem the various climate change scenarios and how bad you deem the various economic scenarios) and we could explore how much evidence has been unearthed thus far.

But none of that is possible given the kind of statements you (and the many similar to you) make, nor do you appear to have any interest in that kind of dialogue. Like so many self-professed climate skeptics you display no interest in learning anything about the issue that you have such strong views on (or atleast no interest in learning anything about the issue that does not reinforce the conclusion that you wish to be true). Note: the previous condemnation does not apply to the (minority of) scientists in relevant fields who have definitive arguments and can easily define the criteria that would need to be satisfied in order for them to change their minds.
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This kind of unjustifiable certainty is the mark of a blind ideologue.



And your unjustifiable certainty that there *is* such a thing isn't?


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But none of that is possible given the kind of statements you (and the many similar to you) make nor do you appear to have any interest in that kind of dialogue. Like so many self-professed climate skeptics you display no interest in learning anything about the issue that you have such strong views on.



That's quite funny.. I've said the same thing about those of you who are the "true believers" in "man made global warming" repeatedly.
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And your unjustifiable certainty that there *is* such a thing isn't?


I don't have certainty that there is such a thing. I think given the risks it's best to play it safe. I've told you that again and again and again and again. But you just ignore it. Just like you ignore statements from relevant scientists that go against your preconceptions so too you ignore everything anyone says that goes against your preconceptions.

Furthermore even if I was as blindly ideological as you, pointing that out would not be any kind of defense to my criticism. It's almost as if you accept that you are unable to think clearly on the topic but it doesn't bother you because you think the same is true of everyone else. Well it's not true of everyone else and even if it were it should still bother you.

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That's quite funny.. I've said the same thing about those of you who are the "true believers" in "man made global warming" repeatedly.


I know, it's very strange to watch you describe yourself over and over again in debates you have with other people. I'd never seen that before coming to this forum.
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