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the milanese are pissed off
Topic Started: Jan 11 2009, 08:28 PM (940 Views)
bachophile
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italian catholics are not very happy about this in front of the duomo.

the municipality of milan has issued a severe warning againt "muslim provocation".

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but the most important thing...the protestors are anti zionist, not anti semitic, no no.

London Times, January 8, 2009

Outrage over proposals to boycott Jewish shops

Trades union proposal to 'identify and boycott' Jewish-owned shops in Rome outrages Jewish leaders

Richard Owen in Rome

Amid fears of a resurgence of anti Semitism in Europe linked to Israeli actions in Gaza Jewish leaders in Rome today expressed outrage over a trades union proposal to "identify and boycott" Jewish-owned shops in the Italian capital.

Jewish leaders said the proposal, put forward by Giancarlo Desiderati, leader of the Flaica-Uniti-Cub union, which represents 8000 shop assistants in Rome, was reminiscent of the anti-Semitic racial laws adopted seventy years ago by the Fascist dictatorship of Benito Mussolini in imitation of Nazi Germany, under which only "Aryan" shops were allowed to open.

Asked if he was aware of the comparison Mr Desiderati said "We know we will have everyone against us, but we cannot pass over in silence what is happening in Gaza". He said his union had already urged its members to boycott Israeli products, and boycotting Jewish-owned or Jewish-run stores was a logical next step.

He said he and his supporters were drawing up a list of Jewish shops, "though it might be better to publish a list of streets in which a majority of the shops are Jewish and ask people to avoid those streets when shopping". He added: "For fifty years we have been concerned for the Jews because of what they suffered in the Holocaust, but now it is time to be concerned for the Palestinians, who are the Jews of today".

Mr Desiderati later denied such a list of Jewish shops existed or would be drawn up, saying he condemned "all forms of anti-Semitism by Right or Left". His union did however support a boycott of Israeli good because of Israel's use of "military means against a civilian population".

Piero Marazzo, head of the Lazio region, said the idea of boycotting Jewish shops was "spine chilling". Riccardo Pacifici, head of the Jewish community in Rome said it was a "mad" idea which he did not believe had the backing of a majority in the union let alone in Rome as a whole. Gianni Alemanno, the right wing mayor of Rome, said he would visit Jewish owned shops in Rome together with Mr Pacifici as an act of solidarity.

Muslim leaders in Milan today (Thursday) said they had apologised to Cardinal Dionigi Tettamanzi, the archbishop of Milan, for an incident last weekend in which Muslim demonstrators burned Israeli flags during a mass protest against Israeli actions in Gaza which ended in unauthorised Islamic prayers in front of Milan cathedral.

The protesters broke through a police cordon to reach the square. Asfa Mahmoud, head of the Islamic Cultural Centre in Milan said he and other Muslim spokesmen had asked for a meeting withthe cardinal to "clarify" what had happened and express regret.

The Milan archdiocese said in a note that prayer was a "fundamental human right" but must not be used for political purposes. The Muslim prayers on the cathedral square had been "intrepreted by many" as an "affront to the Catholic faith at one of Milan's most symbolic Christian sites", the note said.

Ignazio La Russa, the Defence Ministe, who is a leader of the right wing Alleanza Nazionale, said that to counteract the use of the cathedral square as an "open air mosque", an open air Catholic mass should be held to "reclaim" it for Christianity.

Gianni Alemanno, the mayor of Rome, and Giorgia Meloni, the Minister for Youth, who are both leading members of Alleanza Nazionale, came under fire from the Left today (Thursday) for attending a ceremony in a Rome suburb honouring three members of an ultra Right youth group gunned down by extreme left wingers in 1978.

Ms Meloni said she and Mr Alemanno were opposed to "all political violence". Three hundred Far Right activists making the stiffed armed Fascist salute later gathered at the site of the killing in the Tuscolano district to commemorate the three "martyrs of Via Acca Larentia".

"I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen
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Jan 11 2009, 08:38 PM
...the protestors are anti zionist, not anti semitic, no no.

Thanks for the clarificaton. I was all ready to jump to conclusions.
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This is very disturbing. To compare those in Gaza to the Jews in the 1940's is absurd beyond any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention holding Italian Jews accountable for the actions of Israel... kind of like blaming all Italians for cars that don't run worth a crap.
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Oh, don't worry. In about sixty years the Duomo will be a mosque anyway....
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After what happened to the Hagia Sophia I wouldn't be surprised if the Vatican became a mosque in the next 100 years.
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History rewards the aggressive, that is for sure.
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Boycotting shops in Italy run by Jews for the actions of an Israeli state. :doh:
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Mikhailoh
Jan 12 2009, 04:35 AM
History rewards the aggressive, that is for sure.
Yes, it does.
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Jan 12 2009, 04:54 AM
Boycotting shops in Italy run by Jews for the actions of an Israeli state. :doh:
It's called antisemitism. It's growing all around the world.

You saw another example of it just yesterday.....
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Jan 11 2009, 08:28 PM
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italian catholics are not very happy about this in front of the duomo.

the municipality of milan has issued a severe warning againt "muslim provocation".

What's the offense. Praying?

I love Italy and Italians, but as a society, they are pretty unabashedly racist. That's from the perspective of Jews, Muslims and blacks.
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Jan 12 2009, 07:31 AM
bachophile
Jan 11 2009, 08:28 PM
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italian catholics are not very happy about this in front of the duomo.

the municipality of milan has issued a severe warning againt "muslim provocation".

What's the offense. Praying?

I love Italy and Italians, but as a society, they are pretty unabashedly racist. That's from the perspective of Jews, Muslims and blacks.
Well, apparently it was offensive enough to prompt Muslim leaders in Milan to apologize to the Archbishop of Milan.

The way they're praying - right in front of a Catholic cathedral is particularly "in your face."

You're employing a double standard again. If it's "just praying," then try going to Saudi Arabia, and do a rosary and a few novenas in front of Mecca.
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The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D


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You're employing a double standard again. If it's "just praying," then try going to Saudi Arabia, and do a rosary and a few novenas in front of Mecca.


Not if you value your head! :whome:


What double standard, BTW? Religious freedom is a western liberal notion. It is not understood to mean the same thing within the Umma.
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bachophile
Jan 11 2009, 08:38 PM
but the most important thing...the protestors are anti zionist, not anti semitic, no no.

London Times, January 8, 2009

Outrage over proposals to boycott Jewish shops

Trades union proposal to 'identify and boycott' Jewish-owned shops in Rome outrages Jewish leaders

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Nope, that's clearly anti-semitic.

Had the proposal been to identify and boycott shops owned by persons who support Zionism', that would have been anti-Zionist and not anti-semitic.
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Jan 12 2009, 07:42 AM
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Jan 12 2009, 07:31 AM
bachophile
Jan 11 2009, 08:28 PM
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italian catholics are not very happy about this in front of the duomo.

the municipality of milan has issued a severe warning againt "muslim provocation".

What's the offense. Praying?

I love Italy and Italians, but as a society, they are pretty unabashedly racist. That's from the perspective of Jews, Muslims and blacks.
Well, apparently it was offensive enough to prompt Muslim leaders in Milan to apologize to the Archbishop of Milan.

The way they're praying - right in front of a Catholic cathedral is particularly "in your face."

You're employing a double standard again. If it's "just praying," then try going to Saudi Arabia, and do a rosary and a few novenas in front of Mecca.
What double standard? And what again? Have you ever heard me defend the discriminatory practices in Arab countries? That's just as wrong. In a free society anyone should be able to pray wherever they choose unless it interferes with someone else's freedom of religious expression. I can' see how doing oblations in front of a cathedral does that. As I said, sadly, Italy is a pretty racist country - and I base this statement on my own Italian friends and acquaintances.
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What do you think would happen if 5,000 Catholics held mass in front of a mosque, Kathy?
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Larry
Jan 12 2009, 10:57 AM
What do you think would happen if 5,000 Catholics held mass in front of a mosque, Kathy?
It depends on where the mosque is, Larry.
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kind of like blaming all Italians for cars that don't run worth a crap.


yea...!

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Jan 12 2009, 07:31 AM


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... Praying?


Oh. I thought they were just mooning France.
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Italy is a pretty racist country - and I base this statement on my own Italian friends and acquaintances.


:doh: :doh: :doh:

u know, my father was italian. my wife is italian. ive spent more time in italy then in any other country except the us and israel, and it never occured to me that they are racist.

then again...they do think that barolo and brunello di montalcino are much better then french wines...and that may be the cause of the confusion.
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Jan 12 2009, 11:09 AM
then again...they do think that barolo and brunello di montalcino are much better then french wines...and that may be the cause of the confusion.
well, some Barolos are, aren't they ? :-)
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bachophile
Jan 12 2009, 11:09 AM
ive spent more time in italy then in any other country except the us and israel, and it never occured to me that they are racist.
Ever been to a football game in Italy?
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Jan 12 2009, 11:03 AM
Larry
Jan 12 2009, 10:57 AM
What do you think would happen if 5,000 Catholics held mass in front of a mosque, Kathy?
It depends on where the mosque is, Larry.
I don't think so. I think if 5,000 Catholics showed up in front of a mosque anywhere in the world, especially if they were doing it as an act of symbolically flipping off the muslims, there would be blood in the streets - even if it happened in Small Town America.

Let's face it - this is a religion that won't even tolerate a political cartoon.
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u know, my father was italian. my wife is italian. ive spent more time in italy then in any other country except the us and israel, and it never occured to me that they are racist.


You missed the most obvious thing she said, Bach - it seems she has a lot of racist friends......... :D
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Jan 12 2009, 11:15 AM
bachophile
Jan 12 2009, 11:09 AM
ive spent more time in italy then in any other country except the us and israel, and it never occured to me that they are racist.
Ever been to a football game in Italy?
Hey! - If we're going to start judging a country based on it's football fans then I'm out of here.
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