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Larry's got himself in quite a lather....
Topic Started: Jan 11 2009, 11:21 AM (1,600 Views)
1hp
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fwiw I thought that the Hamas/Israel thread was most educational - I learned more about the history of the region reading that thread than I could have from any newspaper. So imho I wouldn't classify it as a waste. Perhaps if US Congressman and Senators were equally as passionate and had such heated debates we might not be in the situation we are currently facing, and the country might be better off.
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Larry
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And using the propaganda and lies of those who hate an entire race of people to do it.

I don't know what your personal experience with racism and bigotry is, but I know what mine is. I have no use for anyone who is that evil.

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It was a joke, son.. a joke. Do you by any chance remember making a similar comment recently?


A "joke"? Now you're just making up words. You can't fool me with your made up words Mik!
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I, too, learned quite a lot from that thread.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Sure Jack you can make up any kind of story with a few cherry picked anecdotes.

But how about some real evidence?

Let’s say 3 or 4 thousand examples, that would be real evidence.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
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Moonbat
Jan 11 2009, 12:17 PM
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It was a joke, son.. a joke. Do you by any chance remember making a similar comment recently?


A "joke"? Now you're just making up words. You can't fool me with your made up words Mik!
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Mikhailoh
Jan 11 2009, 11:42 AM
What is worse? Getting nasty over a given topic or starting a thread simply about that person getting nasty?
Mik, I have been reading this **** for 3 days and biting my tongue. All i did was collect the quotes. The point makes itself.

Put yourself in my place. How long would you ignore it?

As to which is worse, there really isn't any comparison. I just held up the mirror.

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Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
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Kathy's views regarding Israel are absolutely abhorrent to me. I simply can't find any way to understand how anyone with her level of intelligence could have those views. I think they're a disgusting distortion of fact wrapped in a supposed cloak of compassion. I'd imagine they're offensive to our Israeli members, but to far more people as well. I have trouble reading her opinions about this matter, not because I can't stand to read differing opinion, but because these particular statements are so far off the mark that they offend all sense of truth and reasonable analysis.

Having said that, the way that Larry has chosen to fight against her is just as offensive. People have been reasonably suspended from here, for less. There's no excuse for it. None. NONE.

Jack's throwing gasoline on the fire by starting this thread is almost as bad, and he has been as bad in the past. But I will tell you this: if anyone here said the same things about my wife - right or wrong - that Larry's said about Jack's, they'd have a lot more to worry about than some stupid writing on a computer screen.

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QuirtEvans
Jan 11 2009, 11:40 AM
kenny
Jan 11 2009, 11:38 AM
Why can't people discuss an issue without getting nasty?

Strong feelings are fine but insulting someone personally is hitting below the belt IMHO, and frankly hurts your side of an argument.
People resort to insults and attacking the person when they run out of logic.
Or when it's a pattern of behavior.
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1hp
Jan 11 2009, 12:02 PM
If KathyK and Larry want to disagree in public that is their concern. Jack, why do you feel you need to mock Larry for this. No one forced Kathy into this situation, and you starting this thread shows a complete lack of integrity on your part.
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I think it's time some of you lily whites did a bit of self examination on racism, and your attitude toward it.
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Copper
Jan 11 2009, 12:20 PM
Sure Jack you can make up any kind of story with a few cherry picked anecdotes.

But how about some real evidence?

Let’s say 3 or 4 thousand examples, that would be real evidence.

i used to keep Larry's diatribes.. then I thought i'd be too chicken to publish them.. that would be REALLY RUDE.

i appreciate your stating your opinion Blondie.. imho there is no reason to viley rail at another.

we all have opinions. it's best to be polite.

as to Kathy's opinions.. the west screwed up big time.. first for letting Hitler get as big as he did... then secondly for trying to fix it grandly..

what to do, what to do.
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Jan 11 2009, 01:13 PM
1hp
Jan 11 2009, 12:02 PM
If KathyK and Larry want to disagree in public that is their concern. Jack, why do you feel you need to mock Larry for this. No one forced Kathy into this situation, and you starting this thread shows a complete lack of integrity on your part.
I don't mind a man defending his woman.
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Jan 11 2009, 01:08 PM
Having said that, the way that Larry has chosen to fight against her is just as offensive. People have been reasonably suspended from here, for less. There's no excuse for it. None. NONE.

But I will tell you this: if anyone here said the same things about my wife - right or wrong - that Larry's said about Jack's, they'd have a lot more to worry about than some stupid writing on a computer screen.

Thank you, Dewey.



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Jan 11 2009, 01:08 PM
Kathy's views regarding Israel are absolutely abhorrent to me. I simply can't find any way to understand how anyone with her level of intelligence could have those views. I think they're a disgusting distortion of fact wrapped in a supposed cloak of compassion. I'd imagine they're offensive to our Israeli members, but to far more people as well. I have trouble reading her opinions about this matter, not because I can't stand to read differing opinion, but because these particular statements are so far off the mark that they offend all sense of truth and reasonable analysis.

Having said that, the way that Larry has chosen to fight against her is just as offensive. People have been reasonably suspended from here, for less. There's no excuse for it. None. NONE.

Jack's throwing gasoline on the fire by starting this thread is almost as bad, and he has been as bad in the past. But I will tell you this: if anyone here said the same things about my wife - right or wrong - that Larry's said about Jack's, they'd have a lot more to worry about than some stupid writing on a computer screen.

Putting aside the real world threat in the last paragraph ... which I don't think can be justified under any circumstances, even though it's hypothetical ... thank you for that. I agree with all of it.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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what to do, what to do.


One thing to do is to stand up against those who foment the same kind of logic.

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Larry
Jan 11 2009, 01:14 PM
I think it's time some of you lily whites did a bit of self examination on racism, and your attitude toward it.
Dat's racialist! :D

But really, Larry, what is the difference between your claim that "Kathy trashes an entire race of people" and your treatment of the Palestinian people in this matter?
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But really, Larry, what is the difference between your claim that "Kathy trashes an entire race of people" and your treatment of the Palestinian people in this matter?


This whole thing hits closer to home for me than most even realize. I don't have time to address it right now, but I will later. For now, I'll just say that I readily recognize that not all the arabs in gaza support the ridiculous views Kathy espouses. I readily recognize that there are many who simply want to live a better life, and wish all the racial and religious bigotry and hate could be put aside.

I also recognize that they are in a minority there.

I also recognize that if the world sits on its hands and allows the kind of garbage Kathy spew is allowed to go unchallenged, an entire race of people are at risk of being destroyed.

That's why I can't find more than a few hundred of my mother's people these days....

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Larry - While I very strongly disagree with kathy's point of view, and am not innocent myself of intemperate discussion at certain times, I must say I do not think you help any one or any position by your method of posting towards kathy, and would suggest you cease your current manner of doing so. It is not nice and does not reflect well on you, your position, the forum or much else.

blondie - Please say. Cheers.
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Point taken Jeff, I do understand what you and some others are saying.

But the simple fact is, people either see the end result of the kind of bigotry and ignorance she is spreading, or they don't. If they don't, and if they are more concerned with my tone than they are her content, then I don't really give a flying f*ck *what* anyone thinks.

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Larry
Jan 11 2009, 01:35 PM
Point taken Jeff, I do understand what you and some others are saying.

But the simple fact is, people either see the end result of the kind of bigotry and ignorance she is spreading, or they don't. If they don't, and if they are more concerned with my tone than they are her content, then I don't really give a flying f*ck *what* anyone thinks.

I did not say I was *more* concerned with your tone than kathy's content. But bad action by others does not excuse bad action by oneself. I think a number of the points and facts you raised are quite good and relevant and worth stating. However, if even both Dewey and I don't wish to associate with your current method of personalized posting on this particular issue, you can imagine that there might be a problem. It does not really help your side of the case.

All of us, including you and kathy, are human beings with strong points and with weaknesses, and perhaps this should be kept in mind beyond this particular topic.
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kenny
Jan 11 2009, 11:38 AM
Why can't people discuss an issue without getting nasty?
"People" can, usually.
Larry often cannot.
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Ax, change your avatar. Christmas is over, guy.
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Mikhailoh
Jan 11 2009, 11:42 AM
What is worse? Getting nasty over a given topic or starting a thread simply about that person getting nasty?
The former.
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Mikhailoh
Jan 11 2009, 02:34 PM
Ax, change your avatar. Christmas is over, guy.
Eh... feeling lazy... may be later, or some other day.
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