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| Will we ever say "enough is enough!" | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 18 2008, 11:19 AM (299 Views) | |
| Mark | Dec 18 2008, 11:19 AM Post #1 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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SWAT team raids a food co-op "On Monday, December 1, a SWAT team with semi-automatic rifles entered the private home of the Stowers family in LaGrange, Ohio, herded the family onto the couches in the living room, and kept guns trained on parents, children, infants and toddlers, from approximately 11 AM to 8 PM. The team was aggressive and belligerent. The children were quite traumatized." The crime, apparently, was failure to follow state agricultural regulations. The state had targeted the family food co-op after some non-institutional beef turned up at Oberlin College. The entry also notes that Amish farmers had been targeted by the state for selling raw milk, but apparently got off the hook because they were giving it away rather than selling it. |
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___.___ (_]===* o 0 When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells | |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 18 2008, 12:06 PM Post #2 |
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MAMIL
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Your tax dollars at work. |
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| Red Rice | Dec 18 2008, 12:10 PM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Mark, do you have a link to the original news item? |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| George K | Dec 18 2008, 12:25 PM Post #4 |
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Finally
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Doesn't just about every state have a "LaGrange" in it? |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| The 89th Key | Dec 18 2008, 12:28 PM Post #5 |
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A haw, haw, haw, haw. |
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| Mark | Dec 18 2008, 12:32 PM Post #6 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Where in the mainstream media has anyone seen anything related to this? Nowhere? Yeah, I figured as much. |
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___.___ (_]===* o 0 When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells | |
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| Frank_W | Dec 18 2008, 12:34 PM Post #7 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Well, you're the one who posted the original article, Mark. I thought you'd copied it from somewhere. There's no link? |
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Phlebas | Dec 18 2008, 12:37 PM Post #8 |
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Bull-Carp
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- the first time in the history of Oberlin College that beef turned up at all on campus. Seriously, Mark, where did you get the story? Just curious. |
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Random FML: Today, I was fired by my boss in front of my coworkers. It would have been nice if I could have left the building before they started celebrating. FML The founding of the bulk of the world's nation states post 1914 is based on self-defined nationalisms. The bulk of those national movements involve territory that was ethnically mixed. The foundation of many of those nation states involved population movements in the aftermath. When the only one that is repeatedly held up as unjust and unjustifiable is the Zionist project, the term anti-semitism may very well be appropriate. - P*D | |
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| Mark | Dec 18 2008, 12:39 PM Post #9 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Source |
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| Mark | Dec 18 2008, 12:44 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Source 2 |
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| Red Rice | Dec 18 2008, 01:03 PM Post #11 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Thanks Mark. As a supporter of local food producers, I find the law-enforcement actions and the reasons for them extreme and unjust. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Mark | Dec 18 2008, 01:23 PM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Great! So do I! The question remains. What are we going to do about it? |
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| Red Rice | Dec 18 2008, 01:24 PM Post #13 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Ummm... seek redress through the legal system? Or were you contemplating armed revolt? |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Mark | Dec 18 2008, 01:29 PM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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We need to elect leaders who will deal with this crap. And where the hell is the media on this? |
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| Red Rice | Dec 18 2008, 01:36 PM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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If the family being held at gunpoint were illegal Mexian immigrants, then this would be all over the news. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Mark | Dec 18 2008, 01:37 PM Post #16 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Our media is worthless. |
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| Larry | Dec 18 2008, 01:51 PM Post #17 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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It's time for a revolution. I'm going to take a nap and rest up for it.... |
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Of the Pokatwat Tribe | |
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| Mark | Dec 18 2008, 02:10 PM Post #18 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Was wondering when you would come around.
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 18 2008, 02:27 PM Post #19 |
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Here it is in a Vermillion Ohio newspaper. All the other mentions I find are in blogs of some sort. I find no mention of swat-type tactics, guns, etc., just one Ohio agricultural agent with a search warrant. Being an Ohioan and knowing something of our government, I find that part of the story less than likely. Being increasingly involved in local foods, I know of a lot of farmers around Ohio that are doing this sort of thing without interference. It looks to me like these folks were stonewalling legitimate state requests. Time will tell.
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| QuirtEvans | Dec 18 2008, 02:29 PM Post #20 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 18 2008, 02:31 PM Post #21 |
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A blurb on reason.com states:
So apparently they were running a retail operation to some degree. There is more to this story than meets the eye. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 18 2008, 02:38 PM Post #22 |
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MAMIL
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There usually is. If there's going to be a revolution, please let me know. I need to stock up on FDA-Approved |
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| Mikhailoh | Dec 18 2008, 03:06 PM Post #23 |
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From another paper, the couple is suing, but agrees that no SWAT team was involved. Law enforcement officers were present, the family was held in one room for 6 hours while teh search ensued and not at gunpoint. http://www.chroniclet.com/2008/12/18/couple-sue-over-raid-on-organic-food-co-op_122/
Mark, the piece you posted was quoted verbatim on any number of blogs. So what happened here is someone put up a sensationalized account fo what happened, and everyone who wants to believe it did, so it spread like wildfire. It does not necessarily mean that what happened was good or justified, but you might want to be a little more discerning in what you believe. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| John D'Oh | Dec 18 2008, 03:13 PM Post #24 |
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MAMIL
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So you're saying the revolution is cancelled? Bugger! Now I'm left with this big bottle of Beefeater. Oh, what to do, what to do? |
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| Axtremus | Dec 18 2008, 03:25 PM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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No SWAP team, no one held at gun point. May be that's why the main stream media don't carry the story.
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