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You be the judge; Cop pleads not guilty.
Topic Started: Dec 17 2008, 09:47 AM (150 Views)
George K
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081216/ap_on_re_us/youtube_cyclist
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A New York City police officer seen in a YouTube video knocking a bicyclist to the pavement during a protest in Times Square pleaded not guilty Tuesday to related charges.

Patrick Pogan, 23, was arraigned on two felony and three misdemeanor charges in state Supreme Court. He was released without bail and told to return to court Feb. 4.

Pogan is accused of knocking Christopher Long off his bicycle without justification on June 25 during a bike ride organized by a group that promotes alternative transportation. Pogan had filed charges of resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and obstructing government administration against Long, but those charges were dismissed.

Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau said Pogan was charged with falsifying business records and filing a false instrument. Both are felonies punishable by sixteen months to four years in prison.

He also faces misdemeanor charges of third-degree assault, second-degree harassment and making a punishable false written statement.

Morgenthau said Pogan falsified details in the criminal complaint and other paperwork related to Long's arrest, claiming Long steered his bike into the officer and injured him.

Morgenthau said the incident was recorded by an onlooker and that the video posted on YouTube showed "Pogan singling out Long and purposely body-checking Long off the bike."

"The bicyclist's actions before my client took action caused him to take the action he did," defense lawyer Stuart London said as he left court.


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Frank_W
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Guilty. WAY guilty! In slow-mo, you can see him walking, the bicyclist swerving to avoid him, and he just steps in and slams him. What. The. Fcuk. :mad2:
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I think the biker failed to yield to a policeman -- he CLEARLY steered his bike into the direction that the policeman was walking, instead of away from him. He should have come to a complete stop and allowed the policeman to walk in front of him. :fallenhalo:
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WHAT??? What video did YOU watch? The biker was swerving to the left. The policeman even increased his pace so that he would be in position to assault the bicycler.
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It only looks that way because it was played in slow motion. It actually happens very quickly. To me it looks like the cop was scurrying out of the path of a reckless bicyclist, and had to stop him before he hurt some innocent bystander. The cop made a quick judgment to protect the public from this scofflaw who had callous disregard for the public safety and was intent on running down an officer of the law.

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Not sure if the bikers were breaking any laws...doesn't look like it, but who knows. If so, perhaps the cop said something about the biker stopping and when he didn't he pushed him off the bike. But all that is highly doubtful.

The video by itself shows the cop using excessive force and should be punished accordingly.
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Frank_W
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89th, even if that were so, the cop still used excessive force. I would have laughed if about ten cyclists stopped and beat the ever living piss out of that cop.
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If the biker was evading arrest, I wouldn't call it excessive force. But dont get me wrong, I dont think he was evading arrest.
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Yes, it was. The cop could have grabbed the cyclist and pulled him off the bike. By shoving him like that, the cop had no control of where the cyclist went. (i.e. he could have smashed his head against a fire plug, light post, been impaled on a fence, cracked his head on the curb, smashed into an elderly pedestrian and caused them grave injury, etc. etc.)
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I keep thinking your Opt when I see that Calvin avatar!
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ivorythumper
Dec 17 2008, 10:18 AM
It only looks that way because it was played in slow motion. It actually happens very quickly. To me it looks like the cop was scurrying out of the path of a reckless bicyclist, and had to stop him before he hurt some innocent bystander. The cop made a quick judgment to protect the public from this scofflaw who had callous disregard for the public safety and was intent on running down an officer of the law.
That's so absolutley insane that you have to be joking. Even if he was trying to cross the street, the public safety bull**** flies right out the window because it would have been a thousand times more "safe" for the cop to dodge the cyclist -- which could have been easily done since the cyclist was swerving to miss him and the cop still hit him at an angle -- instead of bodychecking him into the ****ing crowd.

The cop needs to hang.
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I think everyone is in agreement here that it was excessive force. Ivory was being sarcastic, and I was exploring any possible reason why the cop might have done that. But the proof is in the pudding video.
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There simply is no good reason for what that cop did. Even giving him the greatest leeway and the most generous benefit of the doubt, what he did endangered everyone, and could have had massive and potentially fatal consequences.
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Dec 17 2008, 10:34 AM
I think everyone is in agreement here that it was excessive force. Ivory was being sarcastic, and I was exploring any possible reason why the cop might have done that. But the proof is in the pudding video.
Yeah, see, I really don't give any kind of a crap what the cop's "reasons" were. Given any possible scenario in which the cop needed to get that guy off his bike -- and he didn't even need to in this case, clearly -- there are far safer ways to do it than that. There is absolutley no way to justify the cop's actions. None.
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Pull my finger, Aqua. :lol2:
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IT... :lol2: :tsktsk:
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