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The Decline of the Republican Party
Topic Started: Nov 16 2008, 07:33 PM (769 Views)
Mikhailoh
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QuirtEvans
Nov 17 2008, 04:26 AM
Mikhailoh
Nov 17 2008, 04:17 AM
Jack Frost
Nov 16 2008, 08:49 PM
Larry, you can call it the Obama party if you want to, but it ain't dead. It's the law for 8 years at least.

jf
This from an attorney? Wow.
Well, he's the sheriff, anyway.

If you're going to hold Jack to that sort of precision in his language, I'm sure you won't mind that we do the same to you in excruciating detail.

Excruciating being the key word.
And that would be different than what you already do in what way?
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For those who aren't aware of it, this thread is a copycat thread of one that was started at WTF, which is now 5 pages of a bunch of elitist snobs engaged in patting themselves on the back for being more "intellectual" than republicans or conservatives. Quite hilarious to read, and sad at the same time.

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Ehhh, not to worry, my right wing zealot friends! As long as the left keeps abortin' their next generation, and we keep on poppin out frog zygotes, we'll just breed the democratic party out of existence!
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Nov 17 2008, 07:49 AM
Ehhh, not to worry, my right wing zealot friends! As long as the left keeps abortin' their next generation, and we keep on poppin out frog zygotes, we'll just breed the democratic party out of existence!
From Here to Maternity. :baby:
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But one big difference in fertility rates remains: Conservative, religiously minded Americans are putting far more of their genes into the future than their liberal, secular counterparts.


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Nov 16 2008, 08:39 PM
Jack, I think you missed Larry's point.

When the voting block jumps up and down with "Vote for Obama" and "Vote Democrat!!!" - but can't answer why. . .

That's Larry's point (I think).

Even Jay Leno had fun with it by interviewing people on the street. So many people conditioned to vote for change, yet not one could think of even one objective reason why.
And that surprises you? Do you really think that most of the electorate are well informed? If you do, then just ask yourself why Bush was elected for a second term.
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Nov 17 2008, 03:17 PM
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Nov 16 2008, 08:39 PM
Jack, I think you missed Larry's point.

When the voting block jumps up and down with "Vote for Obama" and "Vote Democrat!!!" - but can't answer why. . .

That's Larry's point (I think).

Even Jay Leno had fun with it by interviewing people on the street. So many people conditioned to vote for change, yet not one could think of even one objective reason why.
And that surprises you? Do you really think that most of the electorate are well informed? If you do, then just ask yourself why Bush was elected for a second term.
Because the informed outnumbered the uninformed in that election.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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To get back to the original article, I found it said a lot about the writer's ignorance. He has completely mischaracterized two of McCain's main policies (Guantanamo/Torture and Immigration). He seems to misunderstand a lot about the U.S. political climate. He really doesn't understand why McCain had to pick somone like Palin as a running mate. So many things were misconstrued by the author that I could only get halfway thru the article before I gave up.

Anyway, McCain's loss was pretty simple. Take a flawed candidate who can't (or won't) even articulate why the Democrats were hugely culpable for the current financial crisis, make him out of step with a large part of his own party so that the Republican vote is depressed, and put him up against a guy that appeals to educated and affluent voters' huge white guilt. Voila - President Obama!

As for Obama's style of governance, I have seen a few glimpses that maybe he'll be more centrist then leftist, but unfortunately I believe he'll do what he can to make himself look centrist when he actually does more behind the scenes to continue with the leftist idealogy that is at his core.
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Nov 17 2008, 03:20 PM
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Nov 16 2008, 08:39 PM
Jack, I think you missed Larry's point.

When the voting block jumps up and down with "Vote for Obama" and "Vote Democrat!!!" - but can't answer why. . .

That's Larry's point (I think).

Even Jay Leno had fun with it by interviewing people on the street. So many people conditioned to vote for change, yet not one could think of even one objective reason why.
And that surprises you? Do you really think that most of the electorate are well informed? If you do, then just ask yourself why Bush was elected for a second term.
Because the informed outnumbered the uninformed in that election.
It's amazing how when your guy wins, the populace is informed, but when he loses, they all turn into a bunch of dumbasses.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Even a blind squirrel gets an acorn now and them. Let them enjoy their nut while they can. :D
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Mikhailoh
Nov 18 2008, 01:32 PM
Even a blind squirrel gets an acorn now and them. Let them enjoy their nut while they can. :D
Is there a reason why you keep talking about their nuts?

Are you looking to bake their pie or something?
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Jack Frost
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(Speaking of elitists!)

This...from Dick Cavett...

November 14, 2008, 10:00 pm
The Wild Wordsmith of Wasilla

Electronic devices dislike me. There is never a day when something isn’t ailing. Three out of these five implements — answering machine, fax machine, printer, phone and electric can-opener — all dropped dead on me in the past few days.

Now something has gone wrong with all three television sets. They will get only Sarah Palin.

I can play a kind of Alaskan roulette. Any random channel clicked on by the remote brings up that eager face, with its continuing assaults on the English Lang.

There she is with Larry and Matt and just about everyone else but Dr. Phil (so far). If she is not yet on “Judge Judy,” I suspect it can’t be for lack of trying.

What have we done to deserve this, this media blitz that the astute Andrea Mitchell has labeled “The Victory Tour”?

I suppose it will be recorded as among political history’s ironies that Palin was brought in to help John McCain. I can’t blame feminists who might draw amusement from the fact that a woman managed to both cripple the male she was supposed to help while gleaning an almost Elvis-sized following for herself. Mac loses, Sarah wins big-time was the gist of headlines.

I feel a little sorry for John. He aimed low and missed.

What will ambitious politicos learn from this? That frayed syntax, bungled grammar and run-on sentences that ramble on long after thought has given out completely are a candidate’s valuable traits?

And how much more of all that lies in our future if God points her to those open-a-crack doors she refers to? The ones she resolves to splinter and bulldoze her way through upon glimpsing the opportunities, revealed from on high.

What on earth are our underpaid teachers, laboring in the vineyards of education, supposed to tell students about the following sentence, committed by the serial syntax-killer from Wasilla High and gleaned by my colleague Maureen Dowd for preservation for those who ask, “How was it she talked?”

My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the relevance to me with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the countries there that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and the corruption of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance was Alaska’s investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars.

And, she concluded, “never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is it a country or a continent, I just don’t know about this issue.”

It’s admittedly a rare gift to produce a paragraph in which whole clumps of words could be removed without noticeably affecting the sense, if any.

(A cynic might wonder if Wasilla High School’s English and geography departments are draped in black.)

(How many contradictory and lying answers about The Empress’s New Clothes have you collected? I’ve got, so far, only four. Your additional ones welcome.)

Matt Lauer asked her about her daughter’s pregnancy and what went into the decision about how to handle it. Her “answer” did not contain the words “daughter,” “pregnancy,” “what to do about it” or, in fact, any two consecutive words related to Lauer’s query.

I saw this as a brief clip, so I don’t know whether Lauer recovered sufficiently to follow up, or could only sit there, covered in disbelief. If it happens again, Matt, I bequeath you what I heard myself say once to an elusive guest who stiffed me that way: “Were you able to hear any part of my question?”

At the risk of offending, well, you, for example, I worry about just what it is her hollering fans see in her that makes her the ideal choice to deal with the world’s problems: collapsed economies, global warming, hostile enemies and our current and far-flung twin battlefronts, either of which may prove to be the world’s second “30 Years’ War.”

Has there been a poll to see if the Sarah-ites are numbered among that baffling 26 percent of our population who, despite everything, still maintain that President George has done a heckuva job?

A woman in one of Palin’s crowds praised her for being “a mom like me … who thinks the way I do” and added, for ill measure, “That’s what I want in the White House.” Fine, but in what capacity?

Do this lady’s like-minded folk wonder how, say, Jefferson, Lincoln, the Roosevelts, et al (add your own favorites) managed so well without being soccer moms? Without being whizzes in the kitchen, whipping up moose soufflés? Without executing and wounding wolves from the air and without promoting that sad, threadbare hoax — sexual abstinence — as the answer to the sizzling loins of the young?

(In passing, has anyone observed that hunting animals with high-powered guns could only be defined as sport if both sides were equally armed?)

I’d love to hear what you think has caused such an alarming number of our fellow Americans to fall into the Sarah Swoon.

Could the willingness to crown one who seems to have no first language have anything to do with the oft-lamented fact that we seem to be alone among nations in having made the word “intellectual” an insult? (And yet…and yet…we did elect Obama. Surely not despite his brains.)

Sorry about all of the foregoing, as if you didn’t get enough of the lady every day in every medium but smoke signals.

I do not wish her ill. But I also don’t wish us ill. I hope she continues to find happiness in Alaska.

May I confess that upon first seeing her, I liked her looks? With the sound off, she presents a not uncomely frontal appearance.

But now, as the Brits say, “I’ll be glad to see the back of her.”


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Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
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Larry
Nov 17 2008, 06:10 AM
For those who aren't aware of it, this thread is a copycat thread of one that was started at WTF...
So nice of you to visit!

Slow day?

jf
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Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
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QuirtEvans
Nov 18 2008, 01:20 PM
Luke's Dad
Nov 17 2008, 03:20 PM
kathyk
Nov 17 2008, 03:17 PM
Rainman
Nov 16 2008, 08:39 PM
Jack, I think you missed Larry's point.

When the voting block jumps up and down with "Vote for Obama" and "Vote Democrat!!!" - but can't answer why. . .

That's Larry's point (I think).

Even Jay Leno had fun with it by interviewing people on the street. So many people conditioned to vote for change, yet not one could think of even one objective reason why.
And that surprises you? Do you really think that most of the electorate are well informed? If you do, then just ask yourself why Bush was elected for a second term.
Because the informed outnumbered the uninformed in that election.
It's amazing how when you're guy wins, the populace is informed, but when he loses, they all turn into a bunch of dumbasses.
http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1356

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When you toss the ratings into the mix with the above, that indicates a much larger number of knowledgeable people watching or listening to the more conservative shows. Hannity & Colmes, O'Reilly, and Limbaugh have many more viewere and listeners than Hardball, NPR, etc... Advantage-Conservative Republicans

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Look at the difference between men & women on interest in Politics and Government. Men follow political and government news much more than women on average. Obama and McCain virtually split the male vote, but Obama did much better with women, which (according to the study) tends to spend less attention to political and government issues. Slight Advantage Conservative Republicans

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Advantage Conservative Republicans

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Some highly knowledgeable and attentive news audiences - such as The New Yorker's, Limbaugh's, Hannity & Colmes' or Hardball's - are older than average. However, age is not always a correlate of political knowledge: the CBS Evening News has one of the oldest audiences of the news outlets included on the survey; 63% of the regular viewers of this program are 50 or older. But just 10% of regular CBS News viewers correctly answered the three questions.



Hmmmmm, nahhhh, too easy.

The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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I've always liked Cavett. He reminds me of that guy. . . what's his name. . . Dudley Moore!

Very funny, witty and clever, and able to articulate what the world looks like from the back of his limo.
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There were some guys I ran around with years ago who called me Dick Cavett. I still don't know what the hell they were talking about.
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Go ahead and shoot the messenger.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Nov 16 2008, 08:49 PM
Larry, you can call it the Obama party if you want to, but it ain't dead. It's the law for 8 years at least.

jf
Why? I thought presidential terms were only four years each. Did they get changed to eight, while I was out of the country, or something?
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The data behind LD's post....

For poll lovers:

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1642

Ninety-four percent of Obama voters correctly identified Palin as the candidate with a pregnant teenage daughter, 86% correctly identified Palin as the candidate associated with a $150,000 wardrobe purchased by her political party, and 81% chose McCain as the candidate who was unable to identify the number of houses he owned. When asked which candidate said they could "see Russia from their house," 87% chose Palin, although the quote actually is attributed to Saturday Night Live's Tina Fey during her portrayal of Palin during the campaign. An answer of "none" or "Palin" was counted as a correct answer on the test, given that the statement was associated with a characterization of Palin.

Obama voters did not fare nearly as well overall when asked to answer questions about statements or stories associated with Obama or Biden -- 83% failed to correctly answer that Obama had won his first election by getting all of his opponents removed from the ballot, and 88% did not correctly associate Obama with his statement that his energy policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry. Most (56%) were also not able to correctly answer that Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground.

Nearly three quarters (72%) of Obama voters did not correctly identify Biden as the candidate who had to quit a previous campaign for President because he was found to have plagiarized a speech, and nearly half (47%) did not know that Biden was the one who predicted Obama would be tested by a generated international crisis during his first six months as President.

In addition to questions regarding statements and scandals associated with the campaigns, the 12-question, multiple-choice survey also included a question asking which political party controlled both houses of Congress leading up to the election -- 57% of Obama voters were unable to correctly answer that Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate.

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I would love a "Fair and Balanced" poll if McCain voters.
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Do you really think that most of the electorate are well informed?


Certainly not some sections of the Maine vote, as evidenced almost daily around here...unless one considers the DailyKos as an information site...
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Nov 17 2008, 07:49 AM
Ehhh, not to worry, my right wing zealot friends! As long as the left keeps abortin' their next generation, and we keep on poppin out frog zygotes, we'll just breed the democratic party out of existence!
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It's amazing how when your guy wins, the populace is informed, but when he loses, they all turn into a bunch of dumbasses.


You misunderstand me. There would have been just as many dumbasses out there if McCain had won. It would simply have meant that more informed people made it to the polls than dumbasses did. As it is, the dumbasses showed up in larger numbers.

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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Nov 18 2008, 02:18 PM
Larry
Nov 17 2008, 06:10 AM
For those who aren't aware of it, this thread is a copycat thread of one that was started at WTF...
So nice of you to visit!

Slow day?

jf
You're the one with time enough on his hands to post in two forums, not me. I just click through once in awhile to watch the train wreck.....
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Nov 18 2008, 05:20 PM
Jack Frost
Nov 16 2008, 08:49 PM
Larry, you can call it the Obama party if you want to, but it ain't dead. It's the law for 8 years at least.

jf
Why? I thought presidential terms were only four years each. Did they get changed to eight, while I was out of the country, or something?
There is no way he will lose in 4 years. By then he will be getting 60-70 percent of the popular vote.

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Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
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Nov 18 2008, 07:16 PM
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Nov 18 2008, 02:18 PM
Larry
Nov 17 2008, 06:10 AM
For those who aren't aware of it, this thread is a copycat thread of one that was started at WTF...
So nice of you to visit!

Slow day?

jf
You're the one with time enough on his hands to post in two forums, not me. I just click through once in awhile to watch the train wreck.....
My posts are infrequent ans sparce.

You monitor everything by the minute.

Nobody buying coke bottles i guess.

jf

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Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
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Well asshole, let's see.. I left the house around noon today, and I've not been anywhere near a computer until about half an hour ago, yet you've managed to post almost continuously throughout the day. Seems to me like it's you monitoring things by the minute..

And you can shove your coke bottle up your ass, pussyman.
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