Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to The New Coffee Room. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 6
I guess there are still some racists
Topic Started: Nov 15 2008, 04:31 PM (2,090 Views)
Copper
Member Avatar
Shortstop
kathyk
Nov 17 2008, 02:51 PM

As I've indicated before, to a lot of backlash here, I feel that the McCain camp's dirty anti-Obama campaign greatly exacerbated this ugly trend. Hillary wasn't much better.

One thing to consider about this "ugly trend" is that Mr. O. is probably at the height of his popularity right now.

Unless he manages to start a war the anti-O campaign will only grow over the years.


The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George K
Member Avatar
Finally
Posted Image
A guide to GKSR: Click

"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kathyk
Member Avatar
Pisa-Carp
Popularity's great, but it does little - at least in the short term - to quell the ugly hatred that is brewing amongst a seemingly substantial segment of the population.
Blogging in Palestine: http://kksjournal.com/
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Luke's Dad
Member Avatar
Emperor Pengin
kathyk
Nov 17 2008, 02:51 PM
George K
Nov 17 2008, 08:23 AM
Kathy, for anyone to not be concerned about the assassination of a President is foolhardy. Everyone cares, really. It would be a horrible situation, as it was with Kennedy, McKinley, Lincoln, and (almost) Reagan.

What I don't understand is that you're concerned about not everyone joining you in the dance around the fire, that we're not waving our arms, screaming, "WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING."

Well, what do you propose to DO about it, other than complain about what you perceive to be other's complicity in an assassination?
No, that is not at all how I'd hope people to respond. I would either hope that wouldn't respond at all,because it's such worthless thread as PD pointed out, or that if they did, it would be with concern about this rather disturbing (at least to hysterical types like me) trend.

As I've indicated before, to a lot of backlash here, I feel that the McCain camp's dirty anti-Obama campaign greatly exacerbated this ugly trend. Hillary wasn't much better. As Nicholas Kristoff points out:

Here’s a sad monument to the sleaziness of this presidential campaign: Almost one-third of voters “know” that Barack Obama is a Muslim or believe that he could be. In short, the political campaign to transform Mr. Obama into a Muslim is succeeding. . . .A Pew Research Center survey released [in Sept.] found that only half of Americans correctly know that Mr. Obama is a Christian. Meanwhile, 13 percent of registered voters say that he is a Muslim, compared with 12 percent in June and 10 percent in March. . . . In conservative Christian circles and on Christian radio stations, there are even widespread theories that Mr. Obama just may be the Antichrist. John Green, of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, says that about 10 percent of Americans believe we may be in the Book of Revelation’s “end times” and are on the lookout for the Antichrist. A constant barrage of e-mail and broadcasts suggest that Mr. Obama just may be it.

--------

Sarah Palin fanned these flames by stoking fear with her "palling with terrorists" and all the one-liners she trotted out long the lines of "he's not one of us." A fairly large swath of the population were openly encouraged to solidify their ignorance-based fears. Add to that phenomenon the racism factor, and now, lo and behold, death threats against an incoming president are at record levels.

The whole pretext of my indignation with some of you here is that you were just fine with how the McCain campaign stoked those fears, and now several of you have shown a complete lack of concern over the apparent backlash. This is what I mean by being complicit. We each have a rippling effect in our lives in the way we touch others. Your atitudes and actions often affect others in ways you will never know. If you go around giving the nod to the kind of fear mongering that pervaded the McCain campaign, you may well be giving pscyhological fodder to the next nutcase who will try to hatch an assassination.
Kind of like she did on your favorite TV station. :smokin: Liz Trotta jokes about Obama assassination The more you make light of and laugh about this sort of thing, the more you normalize it.

Remember, the "you're either with us or your against us" mandate from our dear president? Well, that's kind of how I'm feeling here when it comes to the physical safety of the president elect, whether you love or hate his policies.



And what about threats against Bush, Kathy? There have been threats made against Bush, there still are. Where's the condemnation from the lefts on this issue? If something happened to Bush before the end of January, would you be complicit?
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kathyk
Member Avatar
Pisa-Carp
I was actually just going to comment on that. I have been aware of very few and that's pretty remarkable considering he is the least popular president in my lifetime.
Blogging in Palestine: http://kksjournal.com/
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Luke's Dad
Member Avatar
Emperor Pengin
They don't always receive much attention, and frankly, that's the way it should be. The more public attention you give it, the more you encourage these cranks...
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kathyk
Member Avatar
Pisa-Carp
Well, I want you to know, LD, that I looked for that other thread. I went back 5 pages and couldn't find it.:shrug:
Blogging in Palestine: http://kksjournal.com/
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Copper
Member Avatar
Shortstop
kathyk
Nov 17 2008, 03:13 PM
I have been aware of very few

Very few or zero?

These threats aren't published.

Did you know Mr. Bush also has the highest presidential popularity ratings of the last 60+ years?

I guess people see what they want to see.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kathyk
Member Avatar
Pisa-Carp
No, I didn't know that and I'm kind of doubting it. If true, it no doubt was during that short period after 9-11 when he made the one decent speech of his career, before he went and blew it, ah, and maybe at right after we invaded Iraq when the American public still believed in WMD. But, he's gone about as low as they go and sustained it. Got a graph? Believe it or not - I try to see the whole picture, whether I like it or not.
Blogging in Palestine: http://kksjournal.com/
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Copper
Member Avatar
Shortstop
kathyk
Nov 17 2008, 04:20 PM
No, I didn't know that and I'm kind of doubting it.

Enjoy!

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/popularity.php

As you can see Mr. Bush actually tied his father's record of 89% - but he acheived this rating more than once.

You have to go back to Truman in 1945 to see the only ranking higher - on VJ Day.

No more need to doubt.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George K
Member Avatar
Finally
kathyk
Nov 17 2008, 04:20 PM
...it no doubt was during that short period after 9-11 when he made the one decent speech of his career, before he went and blew it, ah, and maybe at right after we invaded Iraq when the American public* still believed in WMD.
*And the Russians
And the Germans
And the Israelis
And the British
And the Kuwaitis
And the Saudis
And the Spanish
And the Lithuaninans :wave:
And the Australians
And Clinton
And Albright
And Gore
And Pelosi
And Boxer

That Bush guy sure hookwinked EVERYONE, didn't he?
A guide to GKSR: Click

"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Copper
Member Avatar
Shortstop
George K
Nov 17 2008, 04:43 PM
And ...

Didn't Mr. O believe too?

I thought he just didn't want to defend us against it.

Maybe I misremembered.
The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
George K
Member Avatar
Finally
Copper
Nov 17 2008, 04:48 PM
Maybe I misremembered.
It was strategery.
A guide to GKSR: Click

"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... "
- Mik, 6/14/08


Nothing is as effective as homeopathy.

I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles.
- Klaus, 4/29/18
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kathyk
Member Avatar
Pisa-Carp
Copper
Nov 17 2008, 04:48 PM
George K
Nov 17 2008, 04:43 PM
And ...

Didn't Mr. O believe too?

I thought he just didn't want to defend us against it.

Maybe I misremembered.
I'm not sure where you get that. He was very much against the war before we went in. I think that once we went in and destroyed the government and infrastructure, his position became more nuanced, a la: You break it, you buy it.
Blogging in Palestine: http://kksjournal.com/
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
QuirtEvans
Member Avatar
I Owe It All To John D'Oh
Copper
Nov 17 2008, 04:48 PM
George K
Nov 17 2008, 04:43 PM
And ...

Didn't Mr. O believe too?

I thought he just didn't want to defend us against it.

Maybe I misremembered.
That's generally the safe bet.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JBryan
Member Avatar
I am the grey one
Quirt seems to be willing to confine his responses to this thread to snarky come backs to irrelevancies. It would be interesting to know how you feel about the real topic here.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Larry
Member Avatar
Mmmmmmm, pie!
kathyk
Nov 17 2008, 03:10 PM
Popularity's great, but it does little - at least in the short term - to quell the ugly hatred that is brewing amongst a seemingly substantial segment of the population.
Ugly hatred brewing amongst a substantial segment of the population?????

YOU??? HAVE THE UNMITIGATED GALL, TO TALK ABOUT UGLY HATRED BREWING AMONG A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION?????????


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


BWAHAHAHAHAHQWAHAQHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (the "Q" means I'm choking..)


We have listened to your ignorant ass spew hate for the last 8 YEARS.

And just because we won't "properly" agree with you about how to respond to the fact that there are (and always has been) a small group of dickwads who would make racist threats, you think you have the right to lecture us about "ugly hatred"??

You are stupid.

Of the Pokatwat Tribe

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
QuirtEvans
Member Avatar
I Owe It All To John D'Oh
JBryan
Nov 17 2008, 06:57 PM
Quirt seems to be willing to confine his responses to this thread to snarky come backs to irrelevancies. It would be interesting to know how you feel about the real topic here.
And what, pray tell, is the real topic?

You guys have muddled it so badly, it's hard to tell.

However, I have made some substantively responsive posts. For example:

Quote:
 
As long as he listens to the Secret Service, he'll be OK. They are going to be ultra-protective like they've never been before. They know the risks. It's only if he tries to ignore or overrule them that we'll get into trouble. Just let them do their jobs, and don't worry about the public relations aspects of the security.


Or this:

Quote:
 
I'm in complete agreement that the security measures are overdone. However, as you yourself just said,

Quote:
 
The secret service and other federal security agencies have been going overboard for years.


Which means it isn't a conservative/liberal issue, or a Republican/Democrat issue. It's a political establishment/risk aversion issue. The problem is the Secret Service et al. are not incented to establish a balance. Their incentive is to be as cautious and risk-averse as possible. If something ever goes wrong, in hindsight, no one ever says "I'd rather loose a president now and then or a building every once in a while than see our liberty be trampled." They blame the Secret Service.


If you guys ever manage to stop gang-tackling Kathy and get back to discussing a real topic, maybe I'll join in.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
JBryan
Member Avatar
I am the grey one
Thanks for your evasive reply.
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

From The Lion in Winter.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Jolly
Member Avatar
Geaux Tigers!
QuirtEvans
Nov 17 2008, 07:57 PM
JBryan
Nov 17 2008, 06:57 PM
Quirt seems to be willing to confine his responses to this thread to snarky come backs to irrelevancies. It would be interesting to know how you feel about the real topic here.
And what, pray tell, is the real topic?

You guys have muddled it so badly, it's hard to tell.

However, I have made some substantively responsive posts. For example:

Quote:
 
As long as he listens to the Secret Service, he'll be OK. They are going to be ultra-protective like they've never been before. They know the risks. It's only if he tries to ignore or overrule them that we'll get into trouble. Just let them do their jobs, and don't worry about the public relations aspects of the security.


Or this:

Quote:
 
I'm in complete agreement that the security measures are overdone. However, as you yourself just said,

Quote:
 
The secret service and other federal security agencies have been going overboard for years.


Which means it isn't a conservative/liberal issue, or a Republican/Democrat issue. It's a political establishment/risk aversion issue. The problem is the Secret Service et al. are not incented to establish a balance. Their incentive is to be as cautious and risk-averse as possible. If something ever goes wrong, in hindsight, no one ever says "I'd rather loose a president now and then or a building every once in a while than see our liberty be trampled." They blame the Secret Service.


If you guys ever manage to stop gang-tackling Kathy and get back to discussing a real topic, maybe I'll join in.
I don't recall us beating her door down...no, she started this crapola, let her ride it out...
The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
QuirtEvans
Member Avatar
I Owe It All To John D'Oh
Jolly
Nov 17 2008, 08:07 PM
QuirtEvans
Nov 17 2008, 07:57 PM
JBryan
Nov 17 2008, 06:57 PM
Quirt seems to be willing to confine his responses to this thread to snarky come backs to irrelevancies. It would be interesting to know how you feel about the real topic here.
And what, pray tell, is the real topic?

You guys have muddled it so badly, it's hard to tell.

However, I have made some substantively responsive posts. For example:

Quote:
 
As long as he listens to the Secret Service, he'll be OK. They are going to be ultra-protective like they've never been before. They know the risks. It's only if he tries to ignore or overrule them that we'll get into trouble. Just let them do their jobs, and don't worry about the public relations aspects of the security.


Or this:

Quote:
 
I'm in complete agreement that the security measures are overdone. However, as you yourself just said,

Quote:
 
The secret service and other federal security agencies have been going overboard for years.


Which means it isn't a conservative/liberal issue, or a Republican/Democrat issue. It's a political establishment/risk aversion issue. The problem is the Secret Service et al. are not incented to establish a balance. Their incentive is to be as cautious and risk-averse as possible. If something ever goes wrong, in hindsight, no one ever says "I'd rather loose a president now and then or a building every once in a while than see our liberty be trampled." They blame the Secret Service.


If you guys ever manage to stop gang-tackling Kathy and get back to discussing a real topic, maybe I'll join in.
I don't recall us beating her door down...no, she started this crapola, let her ride it out...
She doesn't need me to defend her. However, if you guys feel like seeing who can throw the most crap at her, it's pretty silly of JB to call me out on not sticking to the topic.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Larry
Member Avatar
Mmmmmmm, pie!
Quote:
 
She doesn't need me to defend her. However, if you guys feel like seeing who can throw the most crap at her..


She's the one throwing crap.
Of the Pokatwat Tribe

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
AlbertaCrude
Bull-Carp
Jolly
Nov 16 2008, 08:40 AM
But...

If a man doesn't mind if he lives or dies, he can kill anybody in the world.

Anybody...
Lee Harvey Oswald.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Larry
Member Avatar
Mmmmmmm, pie!
kathyk
Nov 17 2008, 03:10 PM
Popularity's great, but it does little - at least in the short term - to quell the ugly hatred that is brewing amongst a seemingly substantial segment of the population.
Ah, to hell with it..

Hey Kathy - a black guy and a Mexican are riding in a car. Who's driving?


The cops.



Hey Kathy - how do you expect a black man to run the country when ten of them can't run a White Castle?



Hey Kathy - What do Obama, John F. Kennedy and Abe Lincoln have in common?



Nothing, yet....


Well..... she's already called us racists - might as well oblige her.....
Of the Pokatwat Tribe

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Larry
Member Avatar
Mmmmmmm, pie!
Do you know what happened back in 1850, 156 years ago?

California became a state.
The State had no electricity.
The State had no money.
Almost everyone spoke Spanish.
There were gunfights in the streets.

So basically, it was just like California is today, except the women had
real breasts and the men didn't hold hands.
Of the Pokatwat Tribe

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Create a free forum in seconds.
Learn More · Register Now
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · The New Coffee Room · Next Topic »
Add Reply
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 6