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| being pro life outside the political arena | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 12 2008, 06:24 AM (4,730 Views) | |
| apple | Nov 12 2008, 06:24 AM Post #1 |
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one of the angels
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From what I've been reading the republicans are revisiting their support of pro life issues (perhaps considering that it is now outside the mainstream). I belong to a prolife committee and we were discussing yesterday ways to support prolife issues outside the arena of politics. (these are Catholic friends and as a group they do not support explicit sex education). I shared w/ them that i did not vote prolife.. that other issues were more important to me and that i might be typical of many Americans (this caused a great hullabaloo).. that perhaps we should find ways to work with prochoice groups, that perhaps it was time to agree that the legality of abortion has little do with its incidence, that prolife groups needed to regroup to be less caustic (this caused a great hullabaloo) any suggestions? |
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| Frank_W | Nov 12 2008, 06:27 AM Post #2 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Steps towards compromise are always steps in the right direction, IMO.
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 12 2008, 06:29 AM Post #3 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. If both sides could agree on that principle, the rhetoric could get toned down. Unfortunately, pro-life groups will NEVER agree to the second, and pro-choice groups are deeply suspicious of the third. |
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| Axtremus | Nov 12 2008, 06:31 AM Post #4 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I think you're on the right track. The pro-life people simply have to accept that there are cases where abortion is the correct, proper, and moral course of action. And that bit about not supporting explicit sex education needs to go, too. One can argue at what age is a good time to introduce what level of explicit sex education, but deliberately keeping the youngsters uninformed in this regard is plain silly. |
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| George K | Nov 12 2008, 06:34 AM Post #5 |
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Finally
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Oh goodie! An abortion thread! |
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| brenda | Nov 12 2008, 06:47 AM Post #6 |
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George, have some milk with that popcorn. |
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| George K | Nov 12 2008, 06:50 AM Post #7 |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mikhailoh | Nov 12 2008, 06:52 AM Post #8 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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They absolutely do not and should not. Why should they change their moral code for a pragmatic relationship? Ridiculous. I am prolife but believe the drive to simply outlaw abortion is a strategy sure to fail. What is needed is a stronger set of alternatives. The emotional cost of abortion after the fact to women I have known is a terrible price. |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 12 2008, 06:54 AM Post #9 |
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MAMIL
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The hullabullo is indicative of the problem. People dig their trenches, start firing and worse, stop thinking. There seems to be very little thought of compromise from either side - each portrays the other in really quite offensive terms, using highly emotive words such as 'tyranny', 'murder', 'holocaust', 'religious fanatic' and so on. This problem will never go away until people are willing to find a midde ground. And there is a huge problem - the fact that people seem willing to use abortion as a form of contraception is awful. Also awful is the fact that other people seem to care little for the huge problems that large numbers of unwanted children would bring. Good luck with your discussion! It takes two to tango. |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 12 2008, 06:58 AM Post #10 |
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MAMIL
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I agree - we should not ask people to change their beliefs. We should however try and accept that other people don't always share our beliefs, and that these people have valid beliefs of their own. We can disagree with them, but we should afford them respect. There is very little respect of opposing views in this debate from either side. |
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| Copper | Nov 12 2008, 06:59 AM Post #11 |
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The Jewish people simply have to accept that there are cases where Nazism is the correct, proper, and moral course of action. |
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| Mikhailoh | Nov 12 2008, 07:02 AM Post #12 |
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John, that is all well and good when you are talking about taxes, or zoning, or even defense. But you want people to 'respect' others who they believe sanction murder of the unborn. I don't see teh groups working together. I'd just like to see more progress in making abortion less desirable and convenient than it is today. |
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| John D'Oh | Nov 12 2008, 07:09 AM Post #13 |
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MAMIL
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You're making my point for me. We've had the words 'murder' and 'Nazi' used now. It's not a holocaust. The holocaust was the single worse atrocity ever committed by humanity. To try and portray current abortion laws as equivalent to the behaviour of Nazi Germany as some have done is a hysterical attempt to seize the moral high ground. I don't really approve of abortion. I do, however, have friends - good friends, who have been through this process, as I'm sure many others here do. These people are not Nazis, or murderers, they are my friends. They did something I don't really approve of. Other people I know may drink to excess or cheat on their spouses or whatever. I don't approve of that (except for the drinking obviously). |
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| Free Rider | Nov 12 2008, 07:15 AM Post #14 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Well said, John. I am very much against abortion on a personal level...but as I have said before women must have access to this procedure or else it will end up back in the alleyways like it was in the past. The long-term emotional damage that abortions cause isn't just limited to females who have them.
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| apple | Nov 12 2008, 07:29 AM Post #15 |
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one of the angels
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that's true.. i have a sister who had a couple abortions in her early years. Now she is unmarried and sterile and is devastated that she did not let those kids live. just devastated.. it's a major part of her personality.. I have to hand it to her tho, she feels it very important that women be given the choice and votes accordingly. |
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| Copper | Nov 12 2008, 07:32 AM Post #16 |
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That is exactly - exactly - how "good" Germans talked about nazis. |
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| Frank_W | Nov 12 2008, 07:34 AM Post #17 |
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Ditto, John. Well said. |
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| bachophile | Nov 12 2008, 08:02 AM Post #18 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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the jewish people r sick and tired of anyone using its national tragedy to further their own, just or not just, cause. |
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| Frank_W | Nov 12 2008, 08:06 AM Post #19 |
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I don't blame them, Bach. I think most Gentiles are pretty damn sick of it, too. |
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| QuirtEvans | Nov 12 2008, 08:09 AM Post #20 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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I didn't know you were a fan of the tango, John.
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| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Frank_W | Nov 12 2008, 08:13 AM Post #21 |
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Resident Misanthrope
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Wow... She's gorgeous! |
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| Axtremus | Nov 12 2008, 08:14 AM Post #22 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Nazi sympathizer!
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| Kincaid | Nov 12 2008, 10:53 AM Post #23 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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I'd like to hear IT's opinion. Always extreme but well reasoned on this issue. I agree with the premise about abortion being safe, legal and rare. I think the Right needs to come to grips with the idea that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned it just goes back to a State by State issue which really only means travel to get a safe, legal and rare abortion. Likewise, the Left has to understand that Roe v. Wade is simply wrong-headed. The will of the people needs to win out on this issue and their will is a middle ground. One other thing, I think that people that are against abortion have to examine what they think occurs in an abortion situation vis-a-vis the soul the unborn baby. If there is a soul there prior to birth that soul is not destroyed by the abortion. That being would continue to exist in some form and as an innocent being (hey, you don't get original sin until you're born, right?) the being is going to get favorable treatment by God. As such, I don't fret about the untold millions of the unborn that were aborted, I am more concerned with the effect on the individual parents involved (like Apple's sister) and the effect on society as a whole (as human life is inevitably cheapened). |
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| M&M's | Nov 12 2008, 11:26 AM Post #24 |
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Fulla-Carp
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AHHHHHHHHHHH! |
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| ivorythumper | Nov 12 2008, 11:46 AM Post #25 |
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I am so adjective that I verb nouns!
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By that logic, child abuse and kiddie porn should be safe, legal and rare as well. Which is why pro-life groups will never agree to any of the three. |
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