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What the heck is a National Civil Defense Force
Topic Started: Nov 5 2008, 02:12 PM (1,329 Views)
Frank_W
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Another unnecessary program that will turn into a giant hole to piss money into, when we already have the National Guard and the Department of Homeland Security. What needs to happen is for the INS to be paired with the FBI, Homeland Security, and the ATF, and for our borders to be secured, and I've been saying this for years, now.

The last thing we need is yet another department, yet another program, yet another drain on our disgustingly bankrupt national financial resources.
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Fear? No. Just honest curiosity as to what it is, what the goals are, and how those goals are going to be met.
The problem with having an open mind is that people keep trying to put things in it.
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Kathy is just trying to stir up some trouble with her trademark inflamatory rhetoric.
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I, for one, am glad that there are those who will remind me that I need not pay attention to what a candidate says on the stump, simply because it has not been put on the table and fleshed out.

Whew. I was worried there for a while. Thanks!
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QuirtEvans
Nov 6 2008, 05:46 AM
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Nov 6 2008, 04:50 AM
QuirtEvans
Nov 6 2008, 04:36 AM
This is a domestic Peace Corps kind of thing.

How does "domestic Peace Corps" = "powerful, strong national security force"?
The same way that equating oil with national security does.
Uh, no.
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George K
Nov 6 2008, 08:41 AM
I, for one, am glad that there are those who will remind me that I need not pay attention to what a candidate says on the stump, simply because it has not been put on the table and fleshed out.

Whew. I was worried there for a while. Thanks!
Feel free to panic talk about it while he's on the stump.

Once the election is over, though, you're just engaged in mental masturbation speculating about what he really meant, when you can no longer do anything about it.
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OK, you're right. I'll be a good boy and not try to read into anything that anyone says until they actually take measures. Speculation bad, action good.

Got it. :lol2:
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George, if you keep making so much racket, The Brownshirts National Civil Defense Force is going to have to pay you a visit! :tsktsk: Now get with it! You don't want to be labeled unpatriotic, do you? "Lockstep! two...three..four... HUTT! two... three... four... TAX!!! two...three....four..."

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QuirtEvans
Nov 6 2008, 04:36 AM
Are you really nutty enough to believe that Obama wants a paramilitary?

This is a domestic Peace Corps kind of thing.

Bush can say that energy is a matter of national security, and you don't think he's going to start arming oil workers.
You are ignoring his actual words and trying to dance around them to avoid the direct message.

You think he is talking about a domestic Peace Corp??? Tell me why a domestic Peace Corp has to be " just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” as the US military.

What does powerful and strong mean to you when compared to the military? He doesn't seem to be talking about "moral strength."

How would a domestic peace corp aid national security if it weren't armed and given enforcement powers?

Why would a domestic peace corp require the level of funding of the US military????

And besides, we ALREADY have Americorp, which was Clinton's plan for a domestic Peace Corp equivalence -- what else is he suggesting?

Answer these questions before starting your ad hominem bullsh!t.
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Maybe Obama has reason to fear the military and wants to counterbalance it?
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BTW, Quirt, if you want to acknowledge that this is just another of his lies or flip flops he told to get elected, I'm OK with that, but don't say stupid things like he is talking about security in the sense that Bush was talking about oil.
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If he starts cutting the Defense Budget, he may well have reason to fear the military.
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Nov 6 2008, 11:15 AM
BTW, Quirt, if you want to acknowledge that this is just another of his lies or flip flops he told to get elected, I'm OK with that, but don't say stupid things like he is talking about security in the sense that Bush was talking about oil.
Are you out of your ever-loving mind? If you're interpreting him anywhere close to correctly, this would cost him votes, not win him votes.

I don't think he has, had, or will have any intention of doing whatever you conspiracy theorists are afraid of.
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QuirtEvans
Nov 6 2008, 11:19 AM
ivorythumper
Nov 6 2008, 11:15 AM
BTW, Quirt, if you want to acknowledge that this is just another of his lies or flip flops he told to get elected, I'm OK with that, but don't say stupid things like he is talking about security in the sense that Bush was talking about oil.
Are you out of your ever-loving mind? If you're interpreting him anywhere close to correctly, this would cost him votes, not win him votes.

I don't think he has, had, or will have any intention of doing whatever you conspiracy theorists are afraid of.
Watch the video, Quirt -- all the Obamatrons are enthusiastically clapping. He could have said he'll rape their dogs and they would be clapping.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, Quirt. I am just trying to figure out what he meant. Your notion that he is talking about security like Bush talked about oil is laughable, and I wonder how you can honestly think that is the case given his actual words.
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Nov 6 2008, 08:27 AM
Kathy is just trying to stir up some trouble with her trademark inflamatory rhetoric.
You're so funny. *I* am trying to stir up trouble? That's so beautifully ironic. Google Obama and National Civil Defense Force and the only results you get are inflammatory right wing bloggers drawing wild conclusions about an isolated phrase from one speech.

Honestly, you people should relax. The election's over. Why bother getting your blood pressure up before you even know how things will play out. My prediction is that Obama will be much more moderate than you expect, and if anything, he will tend to disappoint those on the left for not being liberal enough.

(There's another "m" in inflammatory, btw).
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JBryan
Nov 6 2008, 08:27 AM
Kathy is just trying to stir up some trouble with her trademark inflamatory rhetoric.
The lefties are as graceless in victory as they were in defeat.

Anyone knows it is perfectly acceptable to say anything you want on the campaign trail with no intention whatsoever of delivering. The ends justify the means.
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So in other words, the leftists here are just condescendingly telling us to not worry our pretty little heads over it. That's reassuring.
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Nov 6 2008, 11:23 AM
JBryan
Nov 6 2008, 08:27 AM
Kathy is just trying to stir up some trouble with her trademark inflamatory rhetoric.
The lefties are as graceless in victory as they were in defeat.

Anyone knows it is perfectly acceptable to say anything you want on the campaign trail with no intention whatsoever of delivering. The ends justify the means.
Excuse me. And just what have I said here to be graceless in victory? Telling you to relax before lodging speculative criticism at Obama for things he hasn't even done? Sheesh!
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Why not? People shrieked and bitched that Bush stole the election, when in fact, he did no such thing. People shrieked about how their freedoms were being stripped away by the Patriot Act, when in fact, AFAIK, no one's freedoms have been curtailed or stripped. :shrug: Bush was blamed and blamed and blamed for so many things that he didn't even do.
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kathyk
Nov 6 2008, 07:59 AM
You've got one vague quote and the whole right wing internet is abuzz horror stories of what this means.

Criminy, I hear his quote and the thing that pops into my mind is Homeland Security. I wonder if any of these reactionaries were moaning about fascism with its implementation. What a bunch of sorry Chicken Littles.
Here's one shining example.
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Nov 6 2008, 08:02 AM
If you'll recall, many, if not most conservatives were opposed to the creation of said department. :)
They were?

At any rate, here is Obama's outline of areas he plans to address in the context of homeland security:

* Defeat Terrorism Worldwide
* Prevent Nuclear Terrorism
* Strengthen American Biosecurity
* Protect Our Information Networks
* Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties
* Protect Americans from Terrorist Attacks and National Disasters
* Protect Critical Infrastructure
* Modernize America's Aging Infrastructure
And here's the link to his website for the details. Nothing there about a national civil defense force. I think it's pretty safe to conclude that he was referring to the people that would be necessary to carry out the goals enumerated above.
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Mikhailoh
Nov 6 2008, 11:33 AM
kathyk
Nov 6 2008, 07:59 AM
You've got one vague quote and the whole right wing internet is abuzz horror stories of what this means.

Criminy, I hear his quote and the thing that pops into my mind is Homeland Security. I wonder if any of these reactionaries were moaning about fascism with its implementation. What a bunch of sorry Chicken Littles.
Here's one shining example.
You are showing yourself to be a sore loser in point that out Mik. :tsktsk:
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Nov 6 2008, 11:33 AM
kathyk
Nov 6 2008, 07:59 AM
You've got one vague quote and the whole right wing internet is abuzz horror stories of what this means.

Criminy, I hear his quote and the thing that pops into my mind is Homeland Security. I wonder if any of these reactionaries were moaning about fascism with its implementation. What a bunch of sorry Chicken Littles.
Here's one shining example.
I was referring as much to the right wing blogs I pulled up when I Googled. But, honestly, that *is* the tenor of this thread. Take a deep breath . . .
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Fine. Where's the budgeting coming from? If it's as well-funded as the American military, does that mean he's going to gut the defense until it's being run like a cheap whorehouse, and therefore, there will be enough money to fund his civilian corp? The money's got to come from somewhere, and at the moment, the national economy is in the toilet, and the United States is a debtor nation to China.
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kathyk
Nov 6 2008, 11:35 AM
CTPianotech
Nov 6 2008, 08:02 AM
If you'll recall, many, if not most conservatives were opposed to the creation of said department. :)
They were?

At any rate, here is Obama's outline of areas he plans to address in the context of homeland security:

* Defeat Terrorism Worldwide
* Prevent Nuclear Terrorism
* Strengthen American Biosecurity
* Protect Our Information Networks
* Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties
* Protect Americans from Terrorist Attacks and National Disasters
* Protect Critical Infrastructure
* Modernize America's Aging Infrastructure
And here's the link to his website for the details. Nothing there about a national civil defense force. I think it's pretty safe to conclude that he was referring to the people that would be necessary to carry out the goals enumerated above.
Listen to the video again (or for the first time perhaps).

How is a group of unarmed citizens supposed to Defeat Terrorism Worldwide, Prevent Nuclear Terrorism, Strengthen American Biosecurity, Protect Our Information Networks, Improve Intelligence Capacity and Protect Civil Liberties, Protect Americans from Terrorist Attacks, and Protect Critical Infrastructure?

Those are all commendable things -- which Bush has been ably doing for the past 8 years -- but that is clearly not what Obie is talking about.
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