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If you thought the little kids singing to Obama; was bad.. wait til you see this.....
Topic Started: Oct 5 2008, 07:50 PM (511 Views)
Larry
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I find it irritating that the larger picture is ignored as we once again waltz down the path of making excuses for a group of people who are collectively emotional cripples. If blacks are "disenfranchised" today it's their own fault. If they need a "black savior" that's their problem, not the rest of the nation's. There is no excuse for their continual "victim" status other than the very thing you are doing to them when you whine about them the way you do. Lots of blacks have chosen to ignore this group psychosis and take responsibility for themselves, and are doing quite well.

The larger issue is the cult of personality that's part and parcel of Obama and his "followers". We are being asked as a nation to accept a man as a possible leader all because weak minded people are lining up behind a "messiah", and I am not referring to race when I refer to his followers as weak minded.

This kind of thing is scary, and dangerous. Trying to defend it is sickening.



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Oct 6 2008, 04:13 AM
Are we now here equating Obama with Jesus?

No, I believe she was equating the youth for Obama groups with the militant youth for Jesus groups. Want to see brainwashing in action, take a look at this. Jesus Camp Highlights ABC News accoiunt of Kids on Fire There was an even creepier clip of them dressed in military drab and running drills. I'll post it later if I can find it.
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Oct 6 2008, 07:40 AM
No, I believe she was equating the youth for Obama groups with the militant youth for Jesus groups.

If that is the case then it does not reflect well on Obama.
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the Messiah thing is a republican fabrication. Democrats don't do that stuff... altho i have heard a Palin/Messiah joke.
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Democrats don't do what stuff?
"Any man who would make an X rated movie should be forced to take his daughter to see it". - John Wayne


There is a line we cross when we go from "I will believe it when I see it" to "I will see it when I believe it".


Henry II: I marvel at you after all these years. Still like a democratic drawbridge: going down for everybody.

Eleanor: At my age there's not much traffic anymore.

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Larry
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Oct 6 2008, 09:45 AM
the Messiah thing is a republican fabrication. Democrats don't do that stuff... altho i have heard a Palin/Messiah joke.

Don't be ridiculous.


While I don't personally subscribe to such fundamentalist excess, on the whole there's nothing wrong with teaching kids about God. The film is done in a way to present the group in the worst light possible, and the Left is all too happy to find yet another reason to trash religion.

It has nothing to do with the messianic psychosis of the Left - unless you are ready to admit that we are talking about religious messiahs in both instances.

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Larry.. i was talking about calling Obama, Jesus or the Messiah.
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Oct 6 2008, 09:57 AM
Larry.. i was talking about calling Obama, Jesus or the Messiah.

I'm fully aware of what you were talking about, Apple. The problem with your logic is you think it is a fabrication.

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wha?

do you really think democrats do the Messiah thing?

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Oct 6 2008, 05:42 AM
kathyk
Oct 6 2008, 07:40 AM
No, I believe she was equating the youth for Obama groups with the militant youth for Jesus groups.

If that is the case then it does not reflect well on Obama.

I should have worded that better (even though I'm quite sure you got my meaning initially). I think she was drawing the comparison between the two groups to make the point that there are much scarier looking right wing groups indoctrinating and brainwashing children.

You know darn well that those groups reflect absolutely nothing on Obama, no more than the Kids on Fire reflect on the GOP''s huge evangelical base.
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Oct 6 2008, 10:06 AM
wha?

do you really think democrats do the Messiah thing?

Who do you think is behind the messianic cult worship of Obama - little green men from Mars?

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Larry
Oct 6 2008, 05:37 AM
I find it irritating that the larger picture is ignored as we once again waltz down the path of making excuses for a group of people who are collectively emotional cripples. If blacks are "disenfranchised" today it's their own fault. If they need a "black savior" that's their problem, not the rest of the nation's.  There is no excuse for their continual "victim" status other than the very thing you are doing to them when you whine about them the way you do. Lots of blacks have chosen to ignore this group psychosis and take responsibility for themselves, and are doing quite well.

The larger issue is the cult of personality that's part and parcel of Obama and his "followers". We are being asked as a nation to accept a man as a possible leader all because weak minded people are lining up behind a "messiah", and I am not referring to race when I refer to his followers as weak minded.

This kind of thing is scary, and dangerous. Trying to defend it is sickening.

Who is making excuses for them? All that I've suggested is that a very large segment of our society suffers from deeply entrenched problems. We can continue to ignore that and take the attitude that they need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Obviously, that isn't working, and the problems are only becoming more entrenched, as the Katrina debacle demonstrated. Even if you are able to callously disregard the shameful third-world like conditions in which millions of Americans live, from a sheer cost/benefit analysis, you should be concerned.

33% of African American children live in poverty; 46% live in single parents families; 12% do not live with a parent

An estimated 32% of all black males will enter the prison system as some point in their lives , compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

The US has the highest rate of imprisonment of any country in the world - closing in on 1 in 100.

The annual cost of incarceration of one prisoner is over $22,000

Whether you or not you think putting some efforts into amerliorating these problems is the socially responsible thing from a moralistic view, from a sheer economic view, it should be painfully clear that it is insanity to continue ignoring them.
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No one has been ignoring them, Kathy. It has in fact been the exact opposite. We have poured billions of dollars into your idiotic solutions, and they remain "entrenched".

And don't give me that "Katrina debacle" crap, or the "pulling them up by their bootstraps" ignorant line of liberal bullsh!t either.

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33% of African American children live in poverty; 46% live in single parents families; 12% do not live with a parent


And whose fault is that, Kathy? The black family has been destroyed by your "solutions" to their problems. Education in this country is free. Black kids are required to attend just like everyone else. You think they are denied opportunities because they are "oppressed" - they are denied opportunities because they refuse to educate themselves and climb out of their shackles - shackles they wear by the way, because your liberal "solutions" enable them.

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An estimated 32% of all black males will enter the prison system as some point in their lives , compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.


Here's a clue for you: if 32% of all black males would stop committing crimes, they wouldn't be in prison, would they? Do you think it's society's fault that these criminals commit crimes?

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The US has the highest rate of imprisonment of any country in the world - closing in on 1 in 100.


Most, according to your own statistics, are blacks. So both problems are due to blacks committing crimes. Solve the problem by understanding why they commit crimes. You think they commit crimes because they're "oppressed". I think they commit crimes because their culture has been gutted of its values, a result of generations of them becoming slaves to your "solutions".

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The annual cost of incarceration of one prisoner is over $22,000


And that has meaning in this discussion because....... why?

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Whether you or not you think putting some efforts into amerliorating these problems is the socially responsible thing from a moralistic view, from a sheer economic view, it should be painfully clear that it is insanity to continue ignoring them.


I think the responsible thing to do is to expect them to join the rest of the country and start taking some responsibility for themselves instead of sitting on their asses waiting on your "solution" to arrive in the mail. I think the responsible thing to do is for them to wake up and realize that your ideology is what has gutted their race of all self respect, and that it is your ideology that is working hard to eliminate the very value system that they once held dear. I think it is the responsible thing for them to start taking pride in themselves as fathers, mothers, in striving to achieve, and in shedding the chains they have placed on themselves, and that your ideology has placed on them.

Those who do, succeed.

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Oct 6 2008, 12:41 AM
Will Obama being the first black president change the mentality (in the positive sense of the word) of the black community, esp. the young? Will high school graduation rates increase, will the young men take responsibility?

If it's SUPPOSE to happen (as this video suggests), what if it doesn't, and nothing at all changes in the black community?

As with all things, ultimately it WILL be Bush's fault. :D
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