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Dr Phil
Topic Started: Oct 4 2008, 11:08 AM (702 Views)
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It turns out, Sue is a Dr Phil fan. So, Sue and Rick want to go on. Nathan says he'll go on to support them. (This really is all about supporting one another. If this helps Sue........ who are we, Mark and I, to question or judge).

I just hope they don't take the babies on and they're not treated as circus monkeys.

It seems as if they are going to discuss 911 issues.

It'll air in a couple of weeks. I'll keep you informed.

SIGH

The good news is, it's not Nancy Grace. :rolleyes2:

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Good luck to them! I've never seen Dr. Phil, but the little I've heard of him doesn't make me interested in learning anything more.

I always thought his show was about people going on for advice, or family/friends asking for intervention help. If that's the case, then clearly Nathan and family don't fall into that category. Nathan has clear goals and is determined. He'll be the one telling Dr. Phil a thing or two! I bet he's gonna be great.
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Oct 4 2008, 02:13 PM
I always thought his show was about people going on for advice, or family/friends asking for intervention help.

Yeah, he's a shrink, but has elevated himself to be an authority on all things complicated. Oprah used him as her personal advisor to guide her thru the mess where she was being sued by the beef industry, because he's just so smart and wise and knows so much about everything.

He is beyond full of himself.
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Funny coincidence: I heard him for the first time today on NPR. He as the guest start on "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me." He made a funny quip in the context of explaining how he tells it to people like it is; something to the effect that he doesn't tell them things just to make them feel good. He said, "you've got a mother to do that."
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Oct 5 2008, 12:42 AM
he doesn't tell them things just to make them feel good.  He said, "you've got a mother to do that."

1.Major BS ! A shrink does not tell to his patients good things. A shrink guides and helps the patient find himself, find the causes of his troubles. Most of the shrinks' clients did not have a mother to tell them good things. Often that was the cause that brought them to the shrink's couch.

2.TV shows need good/high ratings. "Dr. Phil" is a TV show. People on Dr.Phil are circus monkeys. No circus - no rating !
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"Yeah, he's a shrink, "

Dr. Phil is NOT a shrink and he is NOT a medical doctor. A physchiatrist has an MD. He WAS a clinical physchologist, that's what his PhD is in.

His show is entertainment.

If I were looking for a shrink he wouldn't be on the list.
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Oct 4 2008, 01:39 PM
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Oct 4 2008, 02:13 PM
I always thought his show was about people going on for advice, or family/friends asking for intervention help.

Yeah, he's a shrink, but has elevated himself to be an authority on all things complicated. Oprah used him as her personal advisor to guide her thru the mess where she was being sued by the beef industry, because he's just so smart and wise and knows so much about everything.

He is beyond full of himself.

Edit: Bernard beat me to it....
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Oct 5 2008, 02:29 AM
physchologist.

A clinical psychologist.

The "Doctor" is obviously a reference to a PhD degree. I have a friend who is a clinical psychologist and she has a PhD.

Anyway, most of the shrinks are into psychoanalysis though of course they have the option to prescribe "drugs". Vive le Prozac !
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If it helps Sue, I don't care what he is.

And I won't oppose them taking the boys on but I will mention to Nathan I rather he didn't.

If it helps her I'm all for it.

I can't imagine her pain. It's enough contending with Nathan's, my own and the boys.

FWIW, Radu, I've been told by my doctor that homicide survivors can suffer from Post Traumatic Stress. (We were discussing that a couple of months ago). We have the nightmares, we have the flashbacks, we have the panic attacks etc.......

Certain things trigger certain reactions. It's too horrific to explain. Her ordeal lasted 6-7 hours. We weren't with her. All we can do is imagine. Sometimes that's worse. I kept having dreams of her being shot in the face. With her face exploding everywhere. I couldn't tell anyone about it. It was too horrific. Finally I told the therapist. But I had difficulty even telling her.
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Oct 4 2008, 06:29 PM
"Yeah, he's a shrink, "

Dr. Phil is NOT a shrink and he is NOT a medical doctor. A physchiatrist has an MD. He WAS a clinical physchologist, that's what his PhD is in.

His show is entertainment.

If I were looking for a shrink he wouldn't be on the list.

He has a PhD in psychology and had a practice as a psychologist. I believe PhDs are referred to as Dr. and a psychologist is a shrink.

Is the issue whether he currently has a practice or currently licensed? That seems irrelevant to my personal objections of him. ymmv.

Edit: Ok, wow, you edited just as I hit 'quote' and I didnt even see your changes until I posted my own. Ok, no he's not a medical doctor, of course not. I dont think anybody was supposing he was. To me, shrink means psychologist.
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Oct 5 2008, 02:44 AM
Certain things trigger certain reactions. It's too horrific to explain. Her ordeal lasted 6-7 hours. We weren't with her. All we can do is imagine. Sometimes that's worse. I kept having dreams of her being shot in the face. With her face exploding everywhere. I couldn't tell anyone about it. It was too horrific. Finally I told the therapist. But I had difficulty even telling her.

It's very difficult to get rid of these nightmares. Sometimes the solution is to get immersed in them, meaning consciously reviving/reliving the "experience" again and again. It's also called "flooding" :flooding

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While flooding can be used to deal with physical phobias, its real value has come in the field of dealing with the victims of severe trauma. Flooding has an established record in combating and relieving post traumatic stress disorder, and there are preliminary reports that it is extremely effective in helping the victims of rape and sexual assault and abuse work through their traumas. By being forced to relive the original trauma repeatedly in a safe setting, the patient is able to reconnect their emotions to the event and live through them. Until they are able to do that, they can't let go of the fear.



(BTW, you go to a "she" therapist ? Try a "he" shrink. )
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Oct 4 2008, 07:52 PM
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Oct 5 2008, 02:44 AM
Certain things trigger certain reactions. It's too horrific to explain. Her ordeal lasted 6-7 hours. We weren't with her. All we can do is imagine. Sometimes that's worse. I kept having dreams of her being shot in the face. With her face exploding everywhere. I couldn't tell anyone about it. It was too horrific. Finally I told the therapist. But I had difficulty even telling her.

It's very difficult to get rid of these nightmares. Sometimes the solution is to get immersed in them, meaning consciously reviving/reliving the "experience" again and again.

(BTW, you go to a "she" therapist ? Try a "he" shrink. )

I had a "he" shrink that I was seeing. He wasn't any good.

This woman specializes in homicide survivors and sees many of the people I'm in group therapy with. She understands the horrors. She understands the anger and the ugly. She understands how this could possibly tear apart my family.

She doesn't say live "day by day" and doesn't quote the serenity prayer.

She understood immediately how "Night" probably wasn't the best choice in books right now.

And neither is Emily Dickinson.

The "he" had never dealt with a homicide survivor and I don't have the desire to be his first "subject".

I really am doing pretty good.

And if Sue wants to go on Dr Phil, and it helps her. I say go for it.

I prefer Dr Dyer.
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I apologize for sounding shrill.

I've just finished reading the Internal Affairs Investigation report. 500 pages. It took me two days because I was taking notes the entire time. I"m going to have to read it again.

It's appalling all the things they did wrong that night. It's mindboggling.

I feel cold and angry.

Sorry to take it out on you folks.
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Oct 4 2008, 08:25 PM
I apologize for sounding shrill.

I've just finished reading the Internal Affairs Investigation report. 500 pages. It took me two days because I was taking notes the entire time. I"m going to have to read it again.

It's appalling all the things they did wrong that night. It's mindboggling.

I feel cold and angry.

Sorry to take it out on you folks.

You're never, ever, shrill.
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My take on Dr. Phil is that he never hesitates to make his guests look foolish and to embarrass them.

He seems to just totally trash people simply for the shock value.

I would stay away from that guy.
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...and a psychologist is a shrink.


That is wrong. A psychologist is not a shrink. A psychologist studies human behavior. A psychiatrist treats people.

A psychiatrist is a physician who studied psychology and psychiatry and went through training to become a psychotherapist.

A psychologist is simply one who studies human behavior. This is not to say a psychologist can't become a certified therapist (much like a social worker can) but they will not be a psychiatrist unless they also have an MD.
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Dr. Phil has had several law suits against him and according to the wiki article on him, he is not looked well upon by the psychiatric establishment. I personally, would steer clear of him. He's in the entertainment business.
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Oct 4 2008, 05:55 PM
He seems to just totally trash people simply for the shock value.

Ratings. That's the entertainment business.

From Wiki:

"His technique, which differs considerably from traditional psychology, has been criticized by those inside and outside the profession. McGraw's critics regard advice given by him to be at best simplistic, and at worst, invective."
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I might have been slightly off on the 'shrink' bit. I should clarify. A psychologist is not necessarily a "shrink". If they want to apply their knowledge they have to do additional study and internship and become licensed. At that point they can be called a licensed psychologist, but not a psychiatrist. A lot of psychologists are just academics. This is the way I usually think of psychologists.

I usually reserve the word 'shrink' for psychiatrists.
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Oct 4 2008, 07:20 PM

I usually reserve the word 'shrink' for psychiatrists.

So do I, but only in the best sense of the word and with the most respect possible. :P

except for this....
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Sue wants to. It bothers me. But I'm not going to judge.

It's just quite upsetting to even think about my family (Nate and the babies) on that show.

But there isn't a damn thing I can do about it.

She's gotta do what she has to do.

I had to write my letter. She may not have approved of that. She may think we're asking for trouble.

We all have to get through this the best way we can.

It all makes me sick.

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Never, ever shrill in my book. Just honest emotion and passion. Passionate in your anger....justifiably so. I feel honored that you can express it here with us. I hope that we can offer some kind of release valve, small though it may be.

Sending prayers for you and your family.

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I like Dr. Phil. I'm pretty sure the only diff between a Psychiatrist PhD and a Psychologist PhD is that the former is a medical Dr as well. BFD.

Anyway, this doesn't seem to be the usual story for his show. I wouldn't want to go on if it was my decision. Best wishes.
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Oct 4 2008, 09:20 PM
I might have been slightly off on the 'shrink' bit. I should clarify. A psychologist is not necessarily a "shrink". If they want to apply their knowledge they have to do additional study and internship and become licensed. At that point they can be called a licensed psychologist, but not a psychiatrist. A lot of psychologists are just academics. This is the way I usually think of psychologists.

I usually reserve the word 'shrink' for psychiatrists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrink

We're talking about Dr. Phil who DID become a licensed therapist, and it was him I was calling a shrink. Not some generic unnamed person who just studied psychology and may or may not have done more.

I find this a decidedly odd point to be getting pedantic and tedious over. And I'm not comfortable continuing with it in this particular thread. So I'm gonna step off.

Respect.

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Peace out.
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