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| IT'S ABOUT TIME; A probable future for the United States | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 4 2008, 07:08 PM (7,177 Views) | |
| Aqua Letifer | Aug 5 2008, 07:22 AM Post #51 |
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No, that's a ridiculous extreme. I said I agreed with you about people who do not contribute much. But my difference is, I don't assume to know the reasons behind a person's situation, or their ability to rise above it. I don't assume to know those things because of the unlevel playing field.
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| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| Free Rider | Aug 5 2008, 07:37 AM Post #52 |
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I think it is very hard to start discussing successful individuals because of the very definition of success. Rod Tidwell: "Yet they're making the big dollars, the kwan... and you're talking." Jerry Maguire: -"Kwan? That's your word?" Tidwell: "Yeah, that's my word. Some dudes might have the coin, but they'll never have the kwan. It means love, respect, community, and dollars, the entire package....the kwan." What's you definition of success, Aqua? |
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| RosemaryTwo | Aug 5 2008, 07:42 AM Post #53 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Hmm. Probably many of us could use a little imagination and some risk. I could also use some lunch. Swiss chard smoothie is leaving me a tad hungry. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Aug 5 2008, 07:49 AM Post #54 |
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Purpose, quite simply. To have a purpose, a goal that I can strive for daily. The process of working toward that goal would enhance my self knowledge and get me on a genuine advance towards self actualization. The point of the goal would not necessarily be that it is attainable. Rather, the goal would point me in the direction of these things, instead of providing an outward image or mere perceptions of success, like money or job position. But, to each their own. How about yourself? |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| Free Rider | Aug 5 2008, 07:53 AM Post #55 |
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You should have some bunny crackers to tide you over to lunch! :lol: Quirt makes a good point about imagination being a key component to rising above your beginning. The typical definition of success ie. $$$ and material wealth misses the more important things like friends, health, and your family. That's why I quoted Jerry Maguire, because the Tidwell character's words are really significant. Everyone should come up with thier own definition of success. |
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| Jolly | Aug 5 2008, 07:53 AM Post #56 |
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At any time, the United States is probably only 90 days or less, away from a major revolution. It really doesn't matter whether the lower rungs of the economic ladder have tv, microwaves or food stamps. All one needs to do is turn the food and services spigot off. For those of you who shake you heads at such statements, we took a United States city from normal life to barbarism in less than one week in 2005. It's not hard to do, at all.... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Free Rider | Aug 5 2008, 08:08 AM Post #57 |
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I must have missed your post Purpose is success? Interesting. I would like to hear you description of self-actualization. It has a "textbook" definition, but many times people use that term loosely to decribe their own aspirations. What's my definition of success for myself? I am still working on that one, Aqua! I strive for financial independence so I'm a good capitalist like everyone else. I also try to live a meaningful life...for me that involves being in a helping and/or teaching relationship with others. It involves trying to enjoy the beauty of the earth, my body, and my mind. It also involves a optimism ond trust in the inherent good in people. I think when people grow old they begin to battle the bitterness vs. contentment demon. I listen very very closely to old people who are content. I ignore the ones who are obviously bitter. Does that make sense? |
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| George_Smiley | Aug 5 2008, 08:12 AM Post #58 |
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I'm sure the truth is out there as well, however it will not be found in your cocktail party conspiracy theory of disinformation containing a couple of half truths that is peppered throughout with highly personalized isolationist paranoia. |
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| jon-nyc | Aug 5 2008, 08:13 AM Post #59 |
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Cheers
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What fantasy? You mean the one where I pretend the world isn't run by some all-powerful, sinister cabal? |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 5 2008, 08:19 AM Post #60 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Unless they are physically unable to get a job or an education - which is pretty difficult to believe in this country - the playing field is irrelevant. The poorest able-bodied person in America has far more opportunity for both education and income than poor in most countries around the world. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| QuirtEvans | Aug 5 2008, 08:27 AM Post #61 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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This is undoubtedly true. It's also undoubtedly true that a child of middle- or upper-class parents in the U.S. has very large advantages over the child of poor parents. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Aug 5 2008, 08:50 AM Post #62 |
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FR,
Yeah see, that's the thing. When people cite "success" a lot of times it sounds like an over-and-done-with achievement, a stagnant status. "Look at me, I am now successful. I wasn't before, now I am." That kind of thing. That doesn't jive with me because there is no end game, no "ladder that leads to success." That sounds silly to me. Success is the ladder, and you are successful only if you continue to climb. As for "self-actualization," I actually don't like the term very much myself. It sounds like some self help buzzword, doesn't it? To me it means understanding yourself, developing yourself and your potential, and expressing yourself, honestly and completely.
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Yes, I suppose so. Old people can offer great insight indeed but I (try to) listen to everybody. Developing intelligence is sometimes nothing more than talking things over with others. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| Free Rider | Aug 5 2008, 08:56 AM Post #63 |
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Fulla-Carp
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You are right..I should try to listen to everybody. |
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| OperaTenor | Aug 5 2008, 08:57 AM Post #64 |
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Pisa-Carp
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I never thought I'd see the day where I'd look forward to a new Crashtest thread....![]() |
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| Mikhailoh | Aug 5 2008, 08:57 AM Post #65 |
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Now that is more like it.
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Aug 5 2008, 09:01 AM Post #66 |
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ZOOOOOM!
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:lol: |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| lb1 | Aug 5 2008, 09:03 AM Post #67 |
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Fulla-Carp
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You have a repetitive habit of discounting a complete article based on the first sentence. It was your narrow closed mind I was commenting on, not the thread starter. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| VPG | Aug 5 2008, 09:10 AM Post #68 |
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Pisa-Carp
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I'm sorry, but the thing that gets to me and makes my skin crawl every time I read one of these Anti Government rants is that I, and millions of men and women put uniforms on and went to keep it safe for people to bad mouth The United States of America. What say you, were we all stupid???? Should we all send back our medals, our discharges, our G.I. Bill of rights, our $300. mustering out pay? (well maybe not the $300.) And lastly, how is it possable for a government able to keep thing like this secret and the Ranter knows every little detail?
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I'M NOT YELLING.........I'M ITALIAN...........THAT'S HOW WE TALK! "People say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look." Ronald Reagan, Inaugural, 1971 | |
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| Frank_W | Aug 5 2008, 09:15 AM Post #69 |
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^^^QFT. Very nice, VPG. *salute*
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Aug 5 2008, 09:17 AM Post #70 |
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This may be a differing opinion, but I think it's absolutely kickass that our soldiers have at times fought to defend this very kind of badmouthing. That nasty anti-government rants are completely allowed. Y'know, Eveylin Hall's whole "don't agree with what you say but fight to the death your right to say it" thing. Shows how awesome our country really is. |
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| Frank_W | Aug 5 2008, 09:18 AM Post #71 |
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^^^This too!! Fukeneh!!
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin." Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!" | |
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| jon-nyc | Aug 5 2008, 09:42 AM Post #72 |
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Cheers
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So you think I'm being unfairly dismissive of David because I found a sentence or two I didn't like? |
| In my defense, I was left unsupervised. | |
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| lb1 | Aug 5 2008, 09:48 AM Post #73 |
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Fulla-Carp
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WOW, you mean you actually read two before you formed an opinion. Your progressing Jon boy, keep it up.. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| Rick | Aug 5 2008, 09:53 AM Post #74 |
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I don't have enough fingers to count the other members here who write off a whole article based on one sentence they didn't like. |
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| Copper | Aug 5 2008, 09:55 AM Post #75 |
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It seems like a lot of people have a need to believe that the world is run by some big authority. Some think it's God. Some think it's the US government. Some think it's the president of the United States. Some think it's a sinister cabal. |
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The Confederate soldier was peculiar in that he was ever ready to fight, but never ready to submit to the routine duty and discipline of the camp or the march. The soldiers were determined to be soldiers after their own notions, and do their duty, for the love of it, as they thought best. Carlton McCarthy | |
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