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Message to Rosemary Two and anyone else interested; Dr. Furhman's book
Topic Started: Aug 4 2008, 05:58 PM (271 Views)
ilm
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Hi Rosemary Two,

I purchased the book you mentioned, "Eat to Live." Currently, I have read the first six chapters....

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Wow, I'm amazed. Please let me know what you think.

He also has two new books out, which I just picked up to read. My reading inspired me to I stop by the grocery store this morning and buy swiss chard, collard greens, and bok choy (three of his highest ranked foods).

I washed and cut up the swiss chard (it's beautiful -- lots of colors) and froze it. I am going to blend some of it into a breakfast smoothie tomorrow morning -- I hear it's better in a smoothie if it's frozen first. I'll let you know how it tastes. I had a spinach one (lots of fruit in there, too) this morning, which was quite good. My kids even drank some.
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Aug 4 2008, 08:02 PM
Wow, I'm amazed. Please let me know what you think.

He also has two new books out, which I just picked up to read. My reading inspired me to I stop by the grocery store this morning and buy swiss chard, collard greens, and bok choy (three of his highest ranked foods).

I washed and cut up the swiss chard (it's beautiful -- lots of colors) and froze it. I am going to blend some of it into a breakfast smoothie tomorrow morning -- I hear it's better in a smoothie if it's frozen first. I'll let you know how it tastes. I had a spinach one (lots of fruit in there, too) this morning, which was quite good. My kids even drank some.

Does he include beet greens in his list? I haven't read the book, or know the author, but if your talking swiss chard and such, beets must/should (I would think) come in the picture. I don't think there is a much better food than fresh beets, and their greens. Steamed, but not to mush.
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After exercise class, I am going to look for turnip greens.

By the way, when you eat peaches, pears, and apples, do yo eat them with the skin on?

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Yes, I eat fruits with the skin on.

Sue, Dr. Fuhrman's diet is a whole-foods vegetarian diet based on a formula of health = nutrients / calories.

He ranks foods based on their nutrient density. Number one is collard, mustard and turnip greens. Kale and watercress are right behind. Twinkies would be, for example, quite low.

My smoothie this morning (with peaches, banana, orange juice, strawberries and swiss chard frozen over night) was very tasty. I feel sort kicka$$ thinking that I had something called chard for breakfast.

I'm trying to drop 5 pounds or so and kick my craving for Pop Tarts and bunny crackers.
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I went to Whole Foods market, but they did not have turnip greens.

Rosemary Two: Sure, I will keep you posted on the book.

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I'm on about day 4 for me of no processed foods. I've experienced some periods of grumpinesss, but I am starting to feel the benefits of a healthier diet.
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The best way to eat swiss chard:

Swiss Chard Torta
This layered casserole is a wonderful source of phytoestrogens and antioxidants.

1 tablespoon lemon juice
¼ cup water
12 leaves Swiss chard
3 medium potatoes, thinly sliced
2 large eggs, beaten
8 ounces crumbled feta cheese
salt and freshly ground black pepper to taste

1. Place lemon juice and water in a microwave safe dish with a lid. Add the Swiss chard and steam, covered, in the microwave oven on high for 3 minutes or until the chard wilts.
2. Coat the potatoes with the beaten eggs. Layer a baking dish with 1 layer of Swiss chard, followed by the potatoes and feta cheese. Add a sprinkle of salt and pepper.
3. Continue layering until all of the ingredients are used up. The top layer can be either feta cheese or potato, but not Swiss chard.
4. Bake for 30-40 minutes on 375 degrees or until the potatoes are tender.

For 3 servings each serving contains: 254 calories, 3 grams fat, 20 grams protein, 125 mg cholesterol, 38 grams carbohydrate
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Well, after reading more of Dr. Fuhrman's book, he believes people should have a total cholesterol level of 150.

Now, if the American Medical Association is made up of physicians, then I guess this could explain why the total cholesterol number gets lower.

I read Dr. Ornish's book a while back, and I think Dr. Fuhrman is stricter.

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RR- that recipe sounds great. Can you bring it to happy hour this week with some wine?

ILM -- yes, Dr. Fuhrman is stricter. I think his two newer books look at nutrition as a sliding scale. You take his advice as far as you're able / interested. For more drastic results, obviously, you follow it to the letter. Otherwise, for someone like myself, you still make big changes in your life, but less so. I am eating whole foods at home, for example, but had a slice of pizza and a beer with my piano teacher the other night.
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Aug 6 2008, 08:13 AM
The best way to eat swiss chard:

Swiss Chard Torta

this sounds really good, RR. I love swiss chard, but usually just steam it, little bit of butter and salt & pepper. This sounds like a great way to use it more often.

Thanks for posting the recipe.
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I finished the book. The ending was good where Dr. Fuhrman mentions that for some, the diet can be altered. I do realize that the book was mostly for those that really need to loose weight.

His weight suggestion is what I am...

Things I took away from this book that I was not doing is to eat 4 whole fruits a day, and not to drink all the fruit juices.

I used to make a frozen container of orange juice and drink almost the whole thing in a day or two.

I hope this thread will keep going...it will be nice to know how you and others are doing on different meal plans.

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His book changed the way I think about food. Sometimes I slack a bit (2 or three bags of individual-sized portions of bunny crackers with a Diet Coke) and then, I crash, and I turn the volume up (had more chard for breakfast today and am a week w/out Diet Cokes. Salad w/ kidney beans and tomatoes for lunch).

What you eat is often part of a larger vision of where you see your life going.

I'd be interested to hear what you learn and decide on, too, ILM.
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Hello Rosemary Two,

Basically, my diet for the last year has been what Dr. Fuhrman recommends, except that I did not eat 4 fruits, and I enjoyed orange juice.

Dr. Fuhrman's book that you recommended taught me about diabetes, which I was not too familiar with. I did enjoy reading the book.

My recent diet all started when I read one of Dr. Ornish's books. Also, years back, I was a vegan because I was trying to be kind to animals and not eat them, but then after a year, I went back to chicken, which led to everything else.

That is the thing I sometimes have difficulty with -- if I eat something off a vegan diet, then I want it again and again.

For breakfast, I will have V8, oatmeal and soy yoghurt; lunch might be left over beans from the night before or a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and heated up frozen french fries; dinner is beans, tofu, or pasta with a vegetable.

Also included in some meals are: chicken or beef broth in making the beans. Also, parmesan reggiano added on occassion. I will also sometimes have a salmon sandwich.

Wine is always part of dinner, and MORE than what Dr. Fuhrman suggests.

And. coca cola is always nice once in a while - and great if you have a headache.

I don't think I will ever have a green vegetable for breakfast, but that is great that you do.

Yes, keep me/us posted.

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I have green veggies in my mostly fruit smoothie. You could do that, trust me. Can't taste 'em. Furhman is big on those in his second and third books.

Have you read The Pleasure Trap? It tries to explain why people are drawn to stuff that is bad for us (and maybe why when you had some chicken, you wanted more).

A lot of people who read Eat to Live also read this book.

"Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua
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Hello Rosemary Two,

No, I have not read that book.

All I know is, one day, I was depressed, and I fell off the vegan diet and cooked a roast chicken. Pretty funny when you think about it. And that led to eatting everything else on the animal food chain.

If you want, summarize what that book says.

Thanks, ILM
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Oh, it's been a while since I read it. But the author references Elvis Presley a lot.

The brain has mechanisms that encourage behaviors that no longer suit our survival. High fat and sugary foods give a message of yes, yes, more of that (like a drug). Food used to be scarce, and that served us humans well. Now Oreos and Tootsie Rolls and Doritos are ubiquitous, and dirt cheap.

Now we end up like Elvis. Fat, overindulged and unhealthy.

Eating lots of low-glycemic, high-fiber foods help keep blood sugars level, so we don't crave chocolate and steak. Once you bite into those foods, the brain does a Homer Simpson and says, "oh yeah, that's good, more of that."

If you PM me your address, the next time I stop by the post office I will mail you my copy to borrow, if you're interested.
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Oh, and please, call me R2. ^_^
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R2,

Thank you for offering to lend me the book. I see that amazon/borders has the book, so I could easily get a copy.

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