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NY puts calorie counts on menus..; Nanny state or health benefit?
Topic Started: Jul 22 2008, 05:05 AM (687 Views)
Mikhailoh
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kenny
Jul 22 2008, 10:37 AM
People vary.
This will prevent some from ordering those "foods", and some others won't change.

So, I say it's good.
Some will be healthier.
The others still have freedom of choice.

Sorry bout the few cases where a small struggling business is harmed, but what are the ethics of selling such harmful stuff?
Perhaps this is karma.

Very few foods are harmful in and of themselves. This applies to most things, including tobacco and alcohol as well.

It is lack of moderation that causes harm. Do you want a world where everything that MIGHT harm you is removed?


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kenny
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Mikhailoh
Jul 22 2008, 06:40 AM
kenny
Jul 22 2008, 10:37 AM
People vary.
This will prevent some from ordering those "foods", and some others won't change.

So, I say it's good.
Some will be healthier.
The others still have freedom of choice.

Sorry bout the few cases where a small struggling business is harmed, but what are the ethics of selling such harmful stuff?
Perhaps this is karma.

Very few foods are harmful in and of themselves. This applies to most things, including tobacco and alcohol as well.

It is lack of moderation that causes harm. Do you want a world where everything that MIGHT harm you is removed?

No.

This isn't that. :doh:
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Mikhailoh
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But that is where your line of reasoning leads.. 'the karma of selling such harmful stuff'.
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kenny
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Mikhailoh
Jul 22 2008, 06:45 AM
But that is where your line of reasoning leads.. 'the karma of selling such harmful stuff'.

Leads in your mind.
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Frank_W
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Kenny, you're right.










(Feel better now?) :devilgrin:
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Mikhailoh
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Leads in your mind.


Exactly. Clearly you did not get the memo about me always being right.

But you'll be OK. You catch on quick. ^_^
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kenny
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Mik you just love to argue.
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Red Rice
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He's Irish. Kara's like that too! :lol:
Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool.

I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss!

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Mikhailoh
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kenny
Jul 22 2008, 10:50 AM
Mik you just love to argue.

No, you're wrong about that.
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Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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QuirtEvans
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Tobacco isn't harmful, in and of itself?

I'm unaware of a safe use of tobacco, even in small quantities. Educate me.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Riley
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Jul 22 2008, 10:57 AM
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I was about to say "kenny, stop posting weird pictures!"

But then I realized it wasn't even Kenny.
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Mikhailoh
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Tobacco isn't harmful, in and of itself?

I'm unaware of a safe use of tobacco, even in small quantities. Educate me.Come over for cigars and cognac. You will become one with the leaf.


Like fatty foods, you have to consume a critical mass before anything becomes harmful. Just like aspirin, or vitamins or even water.
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QuirtEvans
Jul 22 2008, 09:58 AM
Tobacco isn't harmful, in and of itself?

I'm unaware of a safe use of tobacco, even in small quantities. Educate me.

I usually sprinkle it over a bowl of ice cream. Mmmmmm... It goes well with the green olives. :whistle: :artist:
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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Riley
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QuirtEvans
Jul 22 2008, 10:58 AM
Tobacco isn't harmful, in and of itself?

I'm unaware of a safe use of tobacco, even in small quantities. Educate me.

Everything in moderation.
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Mikhailoh
Jul 22 2008, 10:00 AM
Come over for cigars and cognac. You will become one with the leaf.

Like fatty foods, you have to consume a critical mass before anything becomes harmful. Just like aspirin, or vitamins or even water.

For most things, that may be true.

However, I have read studies that suggest that even casual, infrequent tobacco use is a health risk. (Unfortunately, a quick Googling does not locate them.)

Any citations for the idea that it is not?
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Riley
Jul 22 2008, 07:02 AM
QuirtEvans
Jul 22 2008, 10:58 AM
Tobacco isn't harmful, in and of itself?

I'm unaware of a safe use of tobacco, even in small quantities.  Educate me.

Everything in moderation.

Well, what that means is that moderation won't make your health crappy. But I guarantee you that someone who smokes in moderation isn't as healthy as someone who doesn't smoke at all, all other things being equal.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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QuirtEvans
Jul 22 2008, 10:06 AM
Mikhailoh
Jul 22 2008, 10:00 AM
Come over for cigars and cognac. You will become one with the leaf.

Like fatty foods, you have to consume a critical mass before anything becomes harmful.  Just like aspirin, or vitamins or even water.

For most things, that may be true.

However, I have read studies that suggest that even casual, infrequent tobacco use is a health risk. (Unfortunately, a quick Googling does not locate them.)

Any citations for the idea that it is not?

I offset the ill effects of smoking by mainlining heroin. By compare, smoking a cigarette is nearly as good as spending an hour at the gym! :devilgrin:
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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Mikhailoh
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QuirtEvans
Jul 22 2008, 11:06 AM
Mikhailoh
Jul 22 2008, 10:00 AM
Come over for cigars and cognac. You will become one with the leaf.

Like fatty foods, you have to consume a critical mass before anything becomes harmful.  Just like aspirin, or vitamins or even water.

For most things, that may be true.

However, I have read studies that suggest that even casual, infrequent tobacco use is a health risk. (Unfortunately, a quick Googling does not locate them.)

Any citations for the idea that it is not?

I would gladly cite you for your ideas. Unfortunately the legislature has not passed my bill yet.

I found this, which is a bit of a stretch, but I thought it was kind of funny..


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Health Benefits to Smoking Cigars

Are there any health benefits to cigar smoking? Long before all the research proved that it was dangerous to smoke, tobacco was actually used for medicinal purposes. Although we now know that it will not cure cancer and other diseases, some cigar enthusiasts will argue that cigars can be smoked to relax, and therefore, lower the blood pressure. Besides, if smoking cigars brings relaxation or enjoyment, then it is providing a mental health benefit. Tobacco is also believed to be an aid in controlling weight. Stretching a bit further, cigar smoke can repel flying insects, and therefore, lower the risk of contracting St. Louis encephalitis or the West Nile virus when enjoying the great outdoors.

It's Your Call

Not to make light of the health consequences of cigar smoking, but the old rule about enjoying everything in moderation seems to apply. So, when it comes to smoking cigars, what is moderation? At least one doctor says that one cigar per week is unlikely to result in serious health consequences. Since the jury is still out on occasional cigar smoking, the final decision about how much to smoke, if at all, is your own.


On a more credible note:

http://www.cigarcyclopedia.com/webapp/imag...lth%2090207.pdf


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kenny
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Riley
Jul 22 2008, 07:02 AM
QuirtEvans
Jul 22 2008, 10:58 AM
Tobacco isn't harmful, in and of itself?

I'm unaware of a safe use of tobacco, even in small quantities.  Educate me.

Everything in moderation.


Slicing your skin with razor blades.
Cheating on your spouse.
Murder.

Hey, nothing is bad.
Moderation is key! :doh:
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Frank_W
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/humming "Murder By Numbers" :sing:
Anatomy Prof: "The human body has about 20 sq. meters of skin."
Me: "Man, that's a lot of lampshades!"
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Riley
Jul 22 2008, 06:26 AM
Sure it should be available. Just won't help obesity. I agree with Mik. If people are interested, they will figure it out.

If someone really doesn't realize a Big Mac is unhealthy, I doubt they will know what 1000 calories means when they see it on the box.

I'm all for putting the nutrition info out there, but I have to agree with Riley. I don't think it'll make any difference.
I find it hard to believe anyone who slaps back deep fried anything, or slurps a Starbuck's triple whoodiedoofrapposomething, doesn't really know they are loaded with calories. It's not like they couldn't have figured that out on their own, if they'd wanted to.
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Copper
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I smoked a pack of cigarettes every day for 30 years - no harm.

My understanding is that there is some risk in doing this.

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pianojerome
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Riley
Jul 22 2008, 10:26 AM
QuirtEvans
Jul 22 2008, 10:23 AM
she was Jonesing for some of those mini-Dove bars

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blondie
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Adding calorie counts on menus is a good thing.
It's about time.
'Sure helps with my goals.
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