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| Top 100 Sci Fi Short Stories | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 21 2008, 06:46 AM (482 Views) | |
| QuirtEvans | Jul 21 2008, 06:46 AM Post #1 |
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http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/to...rt_stories.html |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 21 2008, 06:55 AM Post #2 |
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Ender's Game (the novel, I've never read the original short story) is absolutely wonderful. I've never understood the fuss made over Asimov's 'Nightfall'. |
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| Qaanaaq-Liaaq | Jul 21 2008, 07:11 AM Post #3 |
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I don’t see Stephen King’s short sci-fi story “The Langoliers” included in the list. It should be. Great story and the film also. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jul 21 2008, 07:28 AM Post #4 |
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Freaking great list. Flowers for Algernon was really good. He had a hard time publishing it without chaninging the ending, but what you read online is what the original story called for. Never read the novel, though. I didn't like The Green Hills of Earth. Just wasn't my thing I guess. A Sound Of Thunder is THE time travel story. I really like how they dealt with the rules of time paradox. I dunno if Robbie should be in that list. I think it's regarded so highly because it was one of the first to break the "evil robot" scheme, but nothing too ground-breaking in my opinion. Blood Music's pretty deep but I liked it a lot. Biological nanotech turning self-aware is a pretty cool idea. We Can Remember It for You Wholesale is a pretty standard issue Dick story. IMO not very well written but great freaking idea. Anybody see Total Recall? Yeah, it came from this story. Johnny Mnemonic was great too of course, and also much better than the movie that was based on it. There Will Come Soft Rains is pretty freaky. Ghost towns in the future will be ten times worse than ghost towns of today. Both The Man Who Sold The Moon and Requiem were pretty darn good but I liked Requiem more. Good head nod to Robert Louis Stevenson. Nightwings was freaking great, I'm surprised it wasn't higher on the list. |
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| sue | Jul 21 2008, 08:21 AM Post #5 |
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I didn't know it started as a short story. I'll have to check it out; I thought the book was great Funny, I never thought of Shirley Jackson's 'The Lottery' as sci-fi, but I guess it fits. That's a story you never forget. Great list, thanks Quirt. |
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| greg | Jul 21 2008, 09:43 AM Post #6 |
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The Last Question is amazing. |
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| bachophile | Jul 21 2008, 09:48 AM Post #7 |
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also like the top books list http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/to...ooks_rank1.html i read 30 of the top 100. |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jul 21 2008, 09:52 AM Post #8 |
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Me too exactly! |
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| QuirtEvans | Jul 21 2008, 10:01 AM Post #9 |
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Only 25 here. All the Heinlein, none of the Vonnegut. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 21 2008, 10:12 AM Post #10 |
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28 for me. The great thing about that is, it leaves me 72 good books to read, with the obvious exception of Battlefield Earth. I read some stuff by Hubbard when I was younger, and it's total crap. I may be biased, admittedly, by his cult status, if you'll forgive the pun. |
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| George K | Jul 21 2008, 10:26 AM Post #11 |
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39 (!) here. (and I counted "Foundation," "Dune," and "I Robot" as one book, even though there are 3 listed for "Foundation" and "Robot.") Never read Enders Game - is it really better than Dune? |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jul 21 2008, 10:28 AM Post #12 |
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IMHO not really. A lot of people who are really into Ender's Game are, in my opinion, into the politics of the book. They like Ender's Game more because they agree more with the theme, not necessarily because it's a better read. But hey don't get me wrong, I think both are great books. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 21 2008, 10:50 AM Post #13 |
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I think it is. I always thought Dune was rather pretentious. I liked Ender's Game not for the politics (which I actually found rather annoying) but for the description of strategic thinking within wargames, and the character of Ender, who to my mind was a far more interesting individual than Paul Atreides. Orson Scott Card is a great writer when he forgets the message and concentrates on the story. Too much of his stuff is namby-pamby white guilt masquerading as fiction, but this one isn't, right up until the end. |
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| Red Rice | Jul 21 2008, 10:56 AM Post #14 |
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That's why I like it. It takes an extremely intelligent writer to be able to write well about strategy and leadership, and "Ender's Game" does it better than almost any other fiction book I've read. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jul 21 2008, 11:00 AM Post #15 |
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Not to downplay the novel, but... all fiction writing's like that. He certainly did his research but really that's all you have to do to make something detailed and believable. What he did with military strategery was very good but I don't think that doing so is more difficult than with other subjects. |
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| John D'Oh | Jul 21 2008, 11:07 AM Post #16 |
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Since we're doing odious comparisons with Dune, I'd say that Frank Herbert did a much less effective job of describing realistic war in a fantasy context. The deus ex machina of turning Paul into a superhero is really very tiresome, and continues throughout the series, which gets more and more silly. |
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| Red Rice | Jul 21 2008, 11:13 AM Post #17 |
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No, it's more than just a matter of nailing down detail. Writing about strategy so that it's complex, believable, creative and surprising is pretty rare in both science and military fiction. Ender is a genius among geniuses, and the strategies he comes up with have to be worthy of that intelligence in order to impress the reader, and I think Card succeeds in this brilliantly. In fact, I think it's the primary reason why "Ender's Game" is held in such high regard. |
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Civilisation, I vaguely realized then - and subsequent observation has confirmed the view - could not progress that way. It must have a greater guiding principle to survive. To treat it as a carcase off which each man tears as much as he can for himself, is to stand convicted a brute, fit for nothing better than a jungle existence, which is a death-struggle, leading nowhither. I did not believe that was the human destiny, for Man individually was sane and reasonable, only collectively a fool. I hope the gunner of that Hun two-seater shot him clean, bullet to heart, and that his plane, on fire, fell like a meteor through the sky he loved. Since he had to end, I hope he ended so. But, oh, the waste! The loss! - Cecil Lewis | |
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| Frank_W | Jul 21 2008, 12:13 PM Post #18 |
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For some truly KICK-ASS short sci-fi stories, get William Gibson's, "Burning Chrome." Even if you don't like sci-fi... Mindblowing, high octane stuff...
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| John D'Oh | Jul 21 2008, 12:36 PM Post #19 |
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For longer stuff, I would highly recommend Iain M Banks. His non sci-fi stuff (writing as Iain Banks without the M) is even better, IMHO. |
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| Dewey | Jul 21 2008, 01:04 PM Post #20 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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One of my favorite SF short stories (magazine-level "short story") is Frederic Brown's "Puppet Show." If you haven't read it, I'd recommend it. You just don't know what you think you know... |
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| George K | Jul 21 2008, 01:09 PM Post #21 |
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"The Ship Who Sang" was my 2nd favorite short story (later made into a book). For the life of me, I can't remember the name of the 1st ... "Dandelion..." Something. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| George K | Jul 21 2008, 01:12 PM Post #22 |
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AHA! Found it! "Dandelion Girl." |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Jolly | Jul 21 2008, 01:13 PM Post #23 |
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38. Noticed that 3 of the 4 Ender Quartet novels are in there. |
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| Jolly | Jul 21 2008, 01:17 PM Post #24 |
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But only 24 of these: http://home.austarnet.com.au/petersykes/fa...ists_books.html |
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| Aqua Letifer | Jul 21 2008, 01:21 PM Post #25 |
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Weird. 30 of those too, I've read. Great list as well.
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