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Balance, for Jeffrey
Topic Started: Jul 20 2008, 11:14 PM (372 Views)
Daniel
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HOLY CARP!!!
The great thing about democracy is that we get to vote for whomever for whatever reason. I sense that you enjoy contemplating your choice (almost imperiously :) )

It doesn't seem to matter to you that we are going to win New York. :tongue:

But all kidding aside, regarding your comment about divided government, I feel that you are underestimating the damage, most specifically the Supreme Court nominations, that a McCain presidency would bring. Bush put two members on the Court (thanks to our rubber stamp Senate) and McCain would put- what- two more? There's nothing divided about having a right wing Court until we're all dead and buried.

After Republicans have controlled, until 2006, all branches of government for some time, I feel that what we need is balance. To me, balance would mean a real "division" of power. To me, this means balancing Bush's controversial terms with a Democratic administration.

I'm surprised that you could support McCain considering his ideas concerning Iraq and Social Security, and especially his lack of knowledge about economics in these increasingly perilous times.

These are just my thoughts after reading many of your posts about Clinton and Obama for months and I'm sorry to be losing your support even if we don't need it in New York.

Just wanted to let you know that it's all good though-- I was raised to believe and I do that what one does in the voting booth is a private matter. :thumb:

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QuirtEvans
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Daniel
Jul 21 2008, 02:14 AM
The great thing about democracy is that we get to vote for whomever for whatever reason. I sense that you enjoy contemplating your choice (almost imperiously :) )

It doesn't seem to matter to you that we are going to win New York. :tongue:

But all kidding aside, regarding your comment about divided government, I feel that you are underestimating the damage, most specifically the Supreme Court nominations, that a McCain presidency would bring. Bush put two members on the Court (thanks to our rubber stamp Senate) and McCain would put- what- two more? There's nothing divided about having a right wing Court until we're all dead and buried.

After Republicans have controlled, until 2006, all branches of government for some time, I feel that what we need is balance. To me, balance would mean a real "division" of power. To me, this means balancing Bush's controversial terms with a Democratic administration.

I'm surprised that you could support McCain considering his ideas concerning Iraq and Social Security, and especially his lack of knowledge about economics in these increasingly perilous times.

These are just my thoughts after reading many of your posts about Clinton and Obama for months and I'm sorry to be losing your support even if we don't need it in New York.

Just wanted to let you know that it's all good though-- I was raised to believe and I do that what one does in the voting booth is a private matter. :thumb:

Nothing says the Senate has to approve McCain's nominees. Tell your Senator to get some backbone and vote "no" until he appoints real moderates. That's the real control.

If the Democrats in the Senate can't force themselves to vote "no" until they get a nominee they like, shame on them.
It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010.
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Given the record of this court, I'm not sure how anyone can label them right wing. It's a mixed bag, and seems to be deciding issues without regard to ideology, but based on law as they interpret it. Even with two more judges appointed by a Republican president, I don't think you're going to see Roe V Wade overturned. And if a Democrat appoints the next two, I am not convinced you will see as much judicial activism as is feared.
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Over the past fifty years, how many supreme court justices that have been appointed by democratic presidents have gone on to become very reliable right-wing votes? How many that have been appointed by republican presidents have gone on to become reliable left-wing votes?

Once you have answered that question clearly, tell me why democrats are supposedly more neutral in court appointments and more concerned with law than with court politics.
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Daniel
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Quirt, I can't tell my Senators (Democrats) to get a backbone. They seem to have been born without them. They have made this abundantly clear since 2000.

And there isn't going to be a President McCain, sorry. :tongue:

As to the rest, two things strike me as remarkable about the Court.

1. Bush vs. Gore in 2000. I mean you want to talk about activist judges. Wow.

2. The 2003 decision legalizing homosexual sodomy (wasn't the opinion written by Kennedy?- total shock this and the fact that it even happened).

Clinton put Ginsburg on the Court so things work out the way they can be expected to sometimes.

Quirt, it's not just this, it's controlling all of the agencies of the federal government with conservative appointees, it's keeping our military in Iraq indefinitely, and it's Bush's same plan for Social Security private accounts, which as OT has told us after reading Bush's commission's report would end Social Security as we know it for people 55 years and younger. This includes me and many people I know. McCain supports the same exact thing. He's just decided to call it "personal accounts" because that's what focus groups indicated would be a good idea.

I'm surprised that you support McCain because I don't see a dime's worth of difference between him and Bush. It's as if somehow McCain is a "maverick" or this, that, and the other. IMO, he's just another Republican. Haven't the last seven years been enough? And aren't you the one who is always telling me how conservative the current Court is? Why is that?

But like I said to Jeffrey- vote Republican. I don't understand it.

Mik, I'm not sure why you think that Roe vs. Wade wouldn't be over-turned at some point (not that I'm taking a position on that here). Is there any doubt that this is on the conservative's agenda?

In any case, I'd rather have Obama nominating judges. Stacking the federal judiciary with conservatives for years on end would tilt it to the right. My impression is that it is tilted that way already.

We (Democrats) have had some awful years during which the Republicans controlled all three branches of government and basically owned the federal judiciary as well. I'd like a Democratic President. Obviously, some would like to have "divided" government. Even if I felt that way, I don't trust McCain to do the job. He's a social conservative (even if social conservatives whine about him), he knows next to nothing about economics, and he seeks an open-ended conflict in Iraq. Of course it doesn't surprise me when conservatives want to vote for McCain. When people whom I don't think of Republicans (although maybe I should) want to vote for McCain I personally don't see the argument. I don't buy any of the publicity of McCain having character and integrity and the rest of it. I think he has PTSD and early signs of senility. But that's my opinion. I get to decide whom to vote for too.

Which again doesn't matter since Hawaii is going to vote for Obama. He was born here. He won 75% of the primary vote. This isn't a state that votes for Republican presidential candidates anyway.

The irony is that it doesn't matter whom you, Jeffrey, or I vote for. Mik is a different story. Ohio is a battleground. PD, I think your state is too.
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Larry
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You just keep bringing up social security as if you actually know something about it, when you've already had your ass handed to you on the subject. Even the social security actuaries have stated that social security cannot continue as it is.

Apparently you either didn't read their report that I posted for you to read, or you're too stupid to understand it. Maybe you don't know what actuaries do.
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Jolly
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As soon as Ginsburg hits the bricks, I think we will have won a major victory for sanity at SCOTUS.

A President can appoint a middle-of-the -roader when he's not having to balance out the liberal elements of the court.
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Larry
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What I find amusing is watching the democrats here refer to the leftists on the court as "moderates", and the conservatives on the court as "right wing". The truth is it is the conservatives on the court who are the moderates.

Of course I can't imagine anyone expecting Daniel to understand that.


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Mark
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I fear the presidency of McCain far far less than the presidency of Obama.

But disgust is about equal for both.


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Jeffrey
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Daniel - "especially his lack of knowledge about economics in these increasingly perilous times."

What basis do you have for this judgement?

The only trained economist on here (PD) supports McCain.

Neither Obama or McCain has what I would prefer - actual business experience in the real world with real workers and real dollars and real products. Only Bloomberg and Romney have that among people even close to the current presidential cycle.
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The great thing about democracy is that we get to vote for whomever for whatever reason. I sense that you enjoy contemplating your choice (almost imperiously  )

It doesn't seem to matter to you that we are going to win New York. 


Seems to me like you won NY in 2000 and 04, too.

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But all kidding aside, regarding your comment about divided government, I feel that you are underestimating the damage, most specifically the Supreme Court nominations, that a McCain presidency would bring. Bush put two members on the Court (thanks to our rubber stamp Senate) and McCain would put- what- two more? There's nothing divided about having a right wing Court until we're all dead and buried.


All depends on who they're replacing. And who the nominees are. William Ayers as a Justice? Scary....

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I'm surprised that you could support McCain considering his ideas concerning Iraq and Social Security, and especially his lack of knowledge about economics in these increasingly perilous times.


I don't know if you've noticed, but in the past four years, it's been the policies McCain's pushed for that have been successful in Iraq. As far as the economy, wow, is Obama's backround impressive :rolleyes2: .

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1. Bush vs. Gore in 2000. I mean you want to talk about activist judges. Wow.


:wacko:

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and it's Bush's same plan for Social Security private accounts, which as OT has told us after reading Bush's commission's report would end Social Security as we know it for people 55 years and younger. This includes me and many people I know. McCain supports the same exact thing. He's just decided to call it "personal accounts" because that's what focus groups indicated would be a good idea.


Which is the one and only thing many people more educated than us on the matter agree can save SS.

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The irony is that it doesn't matter whom you, Jeffrey, or I vote for. Mik is a different story. Ohio is a battleground. PD, I think your state is too.


They should be battlegrounds, but they're not. Right now, Obama should be leading Virginia by 10-15 points. He's not. According to Rasmussen, it's locked. Right now, he should be leading Ohio by the same. He's not. Rasmussen has McCain up by 1.

By nature, democrats poll higher in the summer prior to the election than warrented. Repubs poll lower. I'm afraid Mr. Obama is in for a rough campaign and an even rougher November.




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Jul 21 2008, 04:53 PM
I'm afraid Mr. Obama is in for a rough campaign and an even rougher November.

Good. We don't need another Carter Obama in the White House. After listening closely to both candidates, weighing their respective levels of experience, and their track records with regards to their votes and policies, how trustworthy and consistent I feel each one is on things that I really care about, and how conservative or liberal each one is on things like defense, I have to cast my vote for McCain. I suspect that the quiet majority of moderate Americans will also cast their votes for McCain, especially as each candidate is pressed for more details of their plans and aspirations.
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