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Topic Started: May 25 2008, 08:33 AM (657 Views)
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Harry Potter actor stabbed to death in mobile phone vendetta

Dominic Tobin and Dipesh Gadher

A teenage actor who is to appear in the new Harry Potter film was stabbed to death in the early hours of yesterday during a fight at a bar.

Robert Knox, 18, was murdered outside the Metro bar in Sidcup, southeast London, as he tried to protect his brother Jamie, 17, from a knifeman.

The attack, which left three other people with serious stab wounds, took place just a few miles from where Jimmy Mizen, a 16-year-old altar boy, was murdered two weeks ago while trying to shield his older brother.

Yesterday it emerged that Knox and Jimmy had played for the same rugby club in Sidcup.

Last night, Robert’s parents, Sally, a buyer for Marks & Spencer, and Colin, who is thought to work in advertising, paid tribute to their son in a statement.

“Rob was kind and thoughtful and would always help out others; he would always spend his last penny on other people instead of himself,” they said.

The life and soul of the party, he was very outgoing, loved sports and would always strike up a conversation with people. He was respectful to others and adored by his family and friends.”

Knox, who overcame bullying as a child to break into acting, had just finished filming a small part for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, which is due at cinemas in November. He plays a Ravenclaw student called Marcus Belby.

Knox was a former pupil at Beths grammar school in Bexley, whose alumni include Steve Backley, the former Olympic javelin thrower. He is the 14th teenager to be violently killed in London since the start of the year.

Police said the killing was not gang-related and yesterday, as friends laid flowers at the murder scene, close to Sidcup railway station, Lee Bentley, manager of the Metro bar, said the attack appeared to have been triggered by a row over the alleged theft of a mobile phone.

“Nine days ago, a guy came to the bar and caused trouble,” said Bentley. “He accused [Knox’s friend] Dean Saunders of stealing his phone and hit him in the face. We cleaned up Dean and barred the man.”

But the man, who is black and in his twenties, returned on Friday night armed with two knives and tried entering the bar, where Knox was a regular drinker.

What happened next is unclear, but Jade Nicholson, an assistant bar manager, said: “I saw Rob go outside and shout, ‘You pulled a knife on my brother, someone call the police’.”

Tom Hopkins, 18, who was drinking at the bar, said: “Rob had been trying to stop the trouble, it wasn’t his fault.

“All I remember was seeing Rob get stabbed in the chest. I ran over and me and my mate Tarik both tackled the black man. I jumped on top of him and he said, ‘I’ve got a knife, I’ve got a knife’. As I tried to grab the knife I didn’t realise he had another one in his other hand and he cut me in the back of the head.

“I was wrestling with him in the bushes and there were a lot of other people who were helping me out. It felt like it went on for six or seven minutes until the police arrived and then I walked around the corner from the bar. That’s when I saw Rob — it’s too horrible to describe what I saw. It was just red blood.”

Police said they were called to “a large disturbance” at the bar on Station Road at 12.07am, but Knox’s life was already seeping away. A friend, who asked not be named, said: “I had him in my arms. He said, ‘I just want some help’ and I laid him on the floor. When the paramedics came, they put pads on his chest to try to revive him, but it was obvious it was too late.”

Knox was taken to Queen Elizabeth hospital in Woolwich, southeast London, where he was pronounced dead just before 1am. A post-mortem is due to be carried out today.

Three other people were seriously injured in the attack, including Saunders, 21, who was stabbed in the neck and remains in hospital. Police said his injuries were serious but not life-threatening. Two other friends, aged 16 and 19, also received treatment.

A 21-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder.
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How sad.


Please explain what a 18 and 17 year old is doing in a bar?
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May 26 2008, 05:57 AM
How sad.


Please explain what a 18 and 17 year old is doing in a bar?

Drinking and meeting up with friends. The real question is what is a chav - or anyone, for that matter - doing with a knife, never mind two knives?
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May 25 2008, 11:57 PM
How sad.


Please explain what a 18 and 17 year old is doing in a bar?

In England you can drink legally at 18.
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May 26 2008, 02:44 AM
a chav

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May 25 2008, 11:57 PM
How sad.


Please explain what a 18 and 17 year old is doing in a bar?

:confused:

Their age didn't cause this? They could have been 37 and 38 and stabbed by a whacko with a knife.
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Judging by the number of similar stories I'm seeing, relaxing the English drinking hours was a mistake. The idea that the hard-drinking English would suddenly turn into sophisticated Europeans, gently quaffing a real-ale before wandering quietly home for a couple of rounds of garlic bread in order to contemplatively watch the sunrise was always a little naive.

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May 26 2008, 04:54 AM
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May 26 2008, 02:44 AM
a chav

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polyester track suit wearing gangsta type.
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Family of murdered Robert Knox speak out

David Brown

The family of the murdered Harry Potter actor Robert Knox called yesterday for tougher action against teenagers carrying knives.

The 18-year-old was killed outside the Metro bar in Sidcup, southeast London, as he tried to protect his younger brother, Jamie, from a man armed with two knives.

The actor, who plays the Hogwarts student Marcus Belby in the forthcoming film Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, was the ninth teenager to be stabbed to death in London this year.

He was a member of the same rugby club as Jimmy Mizen, who was stabbed to death two weeks ago at a bakery in Lee, southeast London.

The actor’s parents, Colin and Sally, and his brother visited the scene of the murder yesterday. Colin Knox, 55, who works in media production, said that the last conversation he had had with his son was on the danger of knives. “With knives there are no winners and only losers. If you are a person who carries a knife, think about the consequences before you carry the knife,” he said.

Mr Knox said that the recent wave of knife crime in the capital was a political issue and added: “There’s a lot of fear out there and basically someone has to change the way we think.”

Sally Knox, 50, a retail buyer, said: “I can’t understand personally the people who are against this stop-and- search because they think that it will make it worse.”

Jamie, 17, an Olympic hopeful in Tae Kwon Do, left a card at the murder scene which read: “I looked up to you so much. Everyone you met you touched. I would never have thought it would turn out this way. I thought you were invincible.”

Knox completed filming of the latest Harry Potter last Tuesday and had signed to appear in Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows, the seventh film in the franchise. He had been acting since the age of 11 and had appeared in the 2004 film King Arthur, the BBC comedy After You've Gone, The Bill and Tonight with Trevor McDonald on ITV and the Channel 4 reality show Trust Me, I’m A Teenager. Karl Bishop, 21, from Chislehurst, southeast London, is being held in custody on suspicion of murder.
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May 25 2008, 11:57 PM


Please explain what a 18 and 17 year old is doing in a bar?

Drinking age differences, but what does their age have to do with it?
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Britain endures vicious Bank Holiday

Jenny Booth

Courts, hospitals and police were today dealing with the aftermath of a Bank Holiday weekend spate of stabbings, shootings and fatal beatings, many of them involving young people.

Six people were in custody today after the death of Amar Aslam, 17, in a "sustained and brutal attack" in the walled garden of a park in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire. Two of those being held were aged 12 and 13, and three were aged 15.

Meanwhile, Karl Bishop, 21, from Sidcup, Kent, was remanded in custody this morning accused of stabbing to death Robert Knox, 18, a film actor who appears in the next Harry Potter film. Bishop is also charged with wounding five other people aged between 16 and 21 during the incident in the early hours of Saturday.

A few miles away in Bromley five men were slashed or stabbed in during a brawl at the Bird in the Hand pub in Kent last night. Four men in their 30s were being questioned by police today and two of the victims were still in hospital with knife wounds to their chests and torsos.

The upsurge in violence prompted Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, to call on parents to ask their teenage children if they were carrying a knife. In this month alone London has also seen the fatal stabbings of Jimmy Mizen, 16, in Lee, and Lyle Tulloch, 15, in Peckham. The 14 young deaths in the capital since the start of the year is the worst toll on record.

Sir Ian said that Scotland Yard was "bending every sinew" to catch the culprits, but that knife-carrying was not just a matter for the police. "Parents have a duty now to be asking their teenagers: are you involved in this knife-carrying?" Sir Ian, speaking at New Scotland Yard, said today. "What we see with these fatalities is one life lost and another life is ruined because this person will go to prison for a very long time."

Elsewhere in Britain, a 20-year-old man was due to appear in court today charged with attacking two teenagers near East Ham Underground station in East London; two black teenagers were wounded in separate shootings in North London; and two youths suffered knife wounds in a fight outside a Nando's restaurant in Nottingham on Sunday evening.

Eight men ranging in age from 19 to 27 were arrested after a 31-year-old man was stabbed to death in Bradford, West Yorkshire, around midnight last night. A second man, aged 27, was in a serious condition in Bradford Royal Infirmary.

It also emerged that a 39-year-old man was in a stable condition in hospital after being shot in the head in the South Woodgate area of Birmingham; on Friday night a 29-year-old man was beaten to death in Hendon, northwest London; Alan Riddock, 41, died in hospital on Sunday after a knife attack in Bedminster, Bristol.

The battered body of 17-year-old Amar Aslam was discovered by two passers-by in Crow Nest Park in Dewsbury at 7.30pm on Sunday.

The killing happened close to the home of Shahid Malik, the Labour MP for Dewsbury, who called for "a change in society". He said that many young people were part of a culture where violence was seen as an acceptable way of life. "We often band together these terrible attacks as being racially motivated when the reality is that ultimately, they are just about young people," Mr Malik said. "More often than not it is not about race, it is about young people who have got involved in a culture where they feel violence is acceptable, either as an offence or in defence."

All six of those under arrest in connection with the killing are Asian, a police source said.

Detectives are investigating whether Amar may have been the victim of violence between warring gangs of youths in the park. A post-mortem examination revealed that he died of head injuries.

Detective Superintendent Chris Thompson, of West Yorkshire Police, said that the park had been very busy on Sunday because it had been a sunny day, and he appealed for witnesses to come forward. He said that Amar, who was wearing white tracksuit bottoms, black trainers and a Bench top, was found lying in the walled wildlife garden by two passers-by who rang for an ambulance.

Today large parts of the park remained sealed off with a number of police officers positioned around the area. An underwater search team arrived, along with other police vehicles and personnel.

No one at the victim’s family home was prepared to comment on the tragedy.

Karl Bishop, an unemployed man, appeared at Bexley magistrates' court charged with murdering Rob Knox in a fight outside the Metro bar in Sidcup, and with five counts of wounding with intent after five victims, all male and aged between 16 and 21, needed hospital treatment after being stabbed in the fight.

Mr Knox, who played Marcus Belby in the forthcoming Harry Potter film, was the 14th teenager to die violently in London this year.

His father, Colin Knox, described his son as "an angel on Earth without wings" and said that he was a "very positive guy" who could turn his hand to anything. He said the family hoped his son's movie role would bring attention to the UK’s knife crime problem.

Police in London today revealed that a weapons crackdown using metal detectors and scanners had led to more than 200 arrests and the seizure of 130 weapons in less than a fortnight. Police had called at 209 homes to warn parents of their children's activities.


I don't want to go home. This is sickening, and no place to live.
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Brown is going to have to do something about that. I'd walk through the South Bronx or Harlem in the middle of the night before I'd walk through some places in Birmingham, etc.

They should just start a stop and search program.
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Phlebas, I read an article suggesting that a couple of days ago (I can't remember which one, so I may have posted it) which stated that the police, of which there are few and far between, do not want to "antagonise" the children by conducting stop and searches. :banghead:
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May 26 2008, 01:05 PM
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Please explain what a 18 and 17 year old is doing in a bar?

Drinking age differences, but what does their age have to do with it?

Quite a bit, actually, although that wasn't what M&M's meant, I believe.

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England sucks. Sorry England, but it's a fact. I remember coming out of clubs in Manchester at 2am on a Saturday morning - what a bloody horrendous experience. Bits of it are pretty hideous place even at 5pm.
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John, it really does. I went back for a long weekend at the beginning of May: the people were stupid and rude, the streets were dirty and the food was expensive and salty. :shrug: I'm not planning on living there when I'm grown up.
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So it's not just punting down the Thames, and brandy tea with the Queen Mother at Cheltenham?
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May 27 2008, 02:23 PM
John, it really does. I went back for a long weekend at the beginning of May: the people were stupid and rude, the streets were dirty and the food was expensive and salty. :shrug: I'm not planning on living there when I'm grown up.

I'm stupid and rude too, so that bit doesn't bother me. It's the fighting - if I was better at it I might go back, but I'm a total coward.

The food can really suck. Last time I was there I was at some semi-posh hotel in Derbyshire. I stupidly ordered steak - and they bloody served it fried rather than grilled. I felt like doing a Gordon Ramsay on them.
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May 27 2008, 08:28 PM
So it's not just punting down the Thames, and brandy tea with the Queen Mother at Cheltenham?

Unfortunately not :lol: I rarely have tea, even when the Queen Mother was alive, and despite the fact that I live in Cheltenham. I will, however, go punting when I visit my brother in Oxford :biggrin:
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May 27 2008, 08:30 PM
I'm stupid and rude too, so that bit doesn't bother me. It's the fighting - if I was better at it I might go back, but I'm a total coward.

The food can really suck. Last time I was there I was at some semi-posh hotel in Derbyshire. I stupidly ordered steak - and they bloody served it fried rather than grilled. I felt like doing a Gordon Ramsay on them.

Well that's your own silly fault for thinking the English can cook steak! I do miss the curries though. Proper British fodder.
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May 27 2008, 02:28 PM
So it's not just punting down the Thames, and brandy tea with the Queen Mother at Cheltenham?

The sad thing is, it can be great. A really nice pub in England is better than anything I've ever come across in North America - all these faux pubs don't have a patch on the real thing. America does other stuff really well, of course, but I'm afraid it's not pubs.

OK, which other countries can I be rude about?
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May 25 2008, 11:57 PM


Please explain what a 18 and 17 year old is doing in a bar?

Drinking age differences, but what does their age have to do with it?

Quite a bit, actually, although that wasn't what M&M's meant, I believe.

With age comes experience , and a little more wisdom. Not a lot, but a little.

The difference between ages 18 and 21 are so drastic and haphazard that I really don't see how it could possibly factor in.
I cite irreconcilable differences.
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Hitler was in his 50's.
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