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| Tweet Topic Started: May 24 2008, 05:03 AM (348 Views) | |
| George K | May 24 2008, 05:03 AM Post #1 |
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Finally
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| kenny | May 24 2008, 06:55 AM Post #2 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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George, don't you like like ALL your wives to remind you of being Rick Rolled?
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| sue | May 24 2008, 08:23 AM Post #3 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Maybe the higher hair gets you closer to God? I'm reading a book about the polygamists, and the hair is mentioned, but just to say there are two acceptable styles for women. One, the updo thing with sort of a french twist in the back, or braided. That's just the way it is, because that's the way it's always been. The dresses must not be from fitting, only certain colours are allowed. Oh, and a whole lot of the women are on prozac, presumably to keep them on an even keel. I found that really disturbing, but at least it explains the 'deadness' I see and hear when they let them talk on tv. That haunts me, it's so creepy. The social hierachy amongst the wives is really ugly, but not surprising. |
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| OperaTenor | May 24 2008, 09:21 AM Post #4 |
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Pisa-Carp
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It's that "inbred" look that's all the rage! |
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| RosemaryTwo | May 24 2008, 09:32 AM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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George, it's like a train wreck to me, too, and I can't stop staring at those women. I can't imagine dressing like that for one day, let alone a lifetime. Sue, that's interesting info. that you added. I had not heard about the prozac. Tragic. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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| jon-nyc | May 24 2008, 10:26 AM Post #6 |
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Cheers
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| apple | May 24 2008, 12:32 PM Post #7 |
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one of the angels
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from: http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/20...rmon_Women.html "Prozac-Mental Health and Mormon Women's Self Perceptions" In responding to the question of oppression, it's necessary to examine the most widely-used recent stereotype and then juxtapose that with Mormon women's own sense of contentment. A widely-cited 1994 study claimed that Utah had the highest per capita female use of Prozac® in the nation.23 Because Utah is predominantly LDS, the studies argue that religion must play a factor in Utah women's depression and anti-depressant use. Critics of the Church are quick to cite the study's sensationalized (and problematic) conclusions as proof that Mormon women must suffer under the strains of patriarchy, early marriages, constant child bearing and voiceless acceptance of male dominance. Further, the internet has allowed for the continued circulation of this study, and it has become a popular sampling among mental health sites, anti-Mormon sites, message boards, and chatrooms. One widely-circulated study, by Kent Ponder, Ph.D., offers sympathetic suggestions to Mormon mental health professionals regarding the depression problems unique to LDS women, but Ponder still restates the statistic regarding Utah women and Prozac use.24 What these repeated Prozac studies have failed to show are the complex factors that might affect the use of Prozac and other anti-depressants; these include socio-economic status, level of education, number of children, genetic factors determining predisposition to depression, religiosity or non-religiosity (even among Mormon women born into the faith who are non-practicing), counseling services that accompany medication and the numbers of men who might also require medication and counseling. Further, the high percentage of Prozac use might reflect a greater awareness by leaders that encourages members to seek professional therapy and medication alternatives. Finally, Mormons' abstinence from addictive substances might prompt depression sufferers to seek more legitimate forms of help. In researching this topic I visited a message board for Mormon women on anti-depressant medication. Of sixty-four postings, only three cited gender as a significant determinant in the participants' personal mental health issues, but most women expressed a defensive attitude about whether being a Mormon woman actually exacerbated their depression. One woman asserted: "I believe that having depression/anxiety/bi-polar or other mental disorders do not make us weak women. There are countless researches done that show that we simply have a chemical imbalance in our brains. They also show that that more often than not, it's genetic." One attributed LDS women's avoidance of alcohol and coffee to the need to control depression through medication and counseling: "LDS women EXPERIENCE depression more acutely because they don't go out and get drunk to mask their pain. Another example is they don't drink coffee in the AM to minimize the fatigue that often accompanies depression." Instead of dwelling on so-called gendered oppression, message board participants focused more on perceptions of medication use, hormonal imbalances, genetic predisposition, non-gendered shared experiences among those using anti-depressants, difficulties overcoming stress, and the need for greater sympathy and awareness by non-sufferers.25 Further, recent attention to increasing anti-depressant use among males- in and out of the LDS Church-has brought attention to depression as a non-gendered issue. Since 1994 many sociologists and historians have attempted to respond to the "Prozac" study with quantitative and qualitative research regarding contentment and mental health among Mormon women. Although difficult to quantify, qualitative research regarding Mormon women's contentment has been useful in challenging the stereotype. In particular, sociologists Sherrie Mills Johnson and Marie Cornwall have directly taken on misperceptions about Mormon women and depression. Cornwall's prolific studies have shown that Mormon women's life satisfaction issues are much more complex than stereotypical portrayals of the submissive and degraded female.26 Most recently, Johnson's 2004 study determined that "LDS women…are less likely to be depressed than American women in general and show no major differences in overall life satisfaction compared to women nationwide."27 By comparing a 1992-1994 survey of over three thousand non-LDS women and two national surveys of over two thousand LDS women, Johnson made successful comparisons regarding life satisfaction, contentment, and measurements of depression and self-esteem. In terms of life satisfaction criteria, including residence, work, friendship, health, family life and financial situation, "there were no statistically significant differences in response." Further, although "[t]raditional women's roles involved with marriage and homemaking have long been cited as part of the reason for the purported depression," still "national women were three to four times as dissatisfied with their work as Mormon women."28 Although Mormon women scored 10% lower on self-esteem, Johnson suggested that the findings "could be a reflection of the higher standards that are espoused" by the Church. However, LDS women claimed to only suffer from general depressive symptoms on average once a week, whereas non-LDS women experienced depressive symptoms "1.5 days per week." Further, 62% of returned-missionary women and 52% of non-missionary women in LDS culture claimed happy marriages, as opposed to only 38% of non-LDS women. Although these findings should significantly alter "the characterization of LDS women as more depressed than others," still "[t]he debate continues as to why anti-depressant sales are high in Utah. According to Johnson, "[t]o date, no conclusive evidence has been presented that proves that LDS women are more depressed or take more anti-depressants than other women." Instead, Johnson stands by the "most significant finding of her study," that "increased religiosity predicted increased life satisfaction and mental well-being."29 This is supported by other sociologists of religion, who have suggested "a link between religious practices or involvement and better mental and physical health as well as reduced criminal activity among youth."30 Stace Hucks Christianson and Janiece Johnson have further examined the valuable connections between religiosity and contentment. Johnson constructed an e-mail survey and received responses from more than 750 women-of different ages, education levels, and marital status-on contentment and religiosity. On a scale between 1 and 10, with 10 reflecting the "highest level of contentment," the average rating was 8.7. Only 50 women "rated their contentment between 1 and 5, and 724 between 6 and 10."31 Johnson further examined women's diverse written responses that accompanied their numerical rankings, and discovered similar findings to Stace Christianson's 1997 thesis on Mormon women and empowerment.32 Both Johnson and Christianson determined that Mormon women who feel empowered have successfully negotiated a strong sense of well-being and contentment, even within the structure of a patriarchal religion.33 Women in both studies expressed satisfaction in belonging to a religion that values "traditionally female characteristics and experiences," which "generally stood in contrast to their perception of the world outside the Church."34 Particularly for convert women, they felt a great contrast between their self-worth before conversion, and greater sense of personal value and esteem following their conversion. One convert noted: Since joining the church at the age of 24, I have gained an understanding of my true potential and calling in life, as a wife and mother, as a daughter of God. Being able to leave behind the idea that a woman is worthless unless she can compete with a man in the business world has been very liberating and satisfying to me. It feels right to be where I am and to be doing what I am doing now. I have also felt equality within the church that I didn't outside the church.35 Many women cited greater access to spiritual power, opportunities for service, and development and growth that came with Church callings. Others referred to the Church's higher regard for motherhood as extremely empowering, since Mormon women "perceive that motherhood is undervalued in society at large yet in contrast the Church validates their perception of the import of a mother's role." Finally, most women cited the faith and knowledge of their divine purpose as empowering, or "eing taught and internalizing for myself that I am truly a daughter of God."36 Christianson's thesis outlined findings similar to Johnson's regarding women's empowerment within a patriarchal religion. She hypothesized that Within any patriarchal religion the presence of women seeking empowerment has potential for intense conflict. Yet, I hypothesize that there are women within this order who feel empowered because of the value that the church places on traditionally female characteristics and because of the sense of connection that LDS women feel toward other LDS women, their ecclesiastical leaders and family members. In other words, Mormon women find added empowerment in a religious culture that embraces femininity and motherhood, especially as they perceive the outside world as increasingly rejecting these traits for women. Christianson further examined the processes by which Mormon women have negotiated their voice and choice, even in a male-led religion: The fact that some women have been able to empower themselves within the patriarchal system suggests several things. First, it undermines popular notions of patriarchy as inherently destructive or as only capable of oppression. It also presents a more complex picture of the society that patriarchy creates. In the lives of these women whose marginal status should make them casualties of the system, it may be the very characteristics of patriarchy that have facilitated their empowerment.37 Christianson's study separates Mormon women's experiences into three important categories: the "Empowered," the "Unempowered," and finally, those "Processing Empowerment." Of the sample, 24% of all three groups "had experienced depression…[and] all of them sought professional help."38 For Christianson, the most significant category included the majority women who were "processing empowerment," or those working through the empowerment process through personal belief and faith, personal revelation, and relationships with family and ecclesiastical leaders. Christianson cites various factors that affected women's sense of empowerment, which included the occurrence of life-altering experiences, personal belief systems of personal progression and faith in God-and the ability to challenge personal belief systems that don't match individual experience-the importance of personal revelation, and finally, the negotiation of empowerment through relationships-both familial and ecclesiastical. Other factors included education level, knowledge of doctrine, returned missionary status, work experience, experiences in Church leadership positions, and age, "because the younger the woman the more empowered she will feel, because her culture has validated the experience of women…[and] she would have grown up with the questions and answers from previous generations of women who challenged traditional gender issues."39 In conclusion, qualitative studies have demonstrated that Mormon women do not suffer from depression on any significantly greater level than their national counterparts. No study has successfully shown that Mormon women have a higher rate of anti-depressant use than other women. Any assessment of life satisfaction needs to reject monolithic representations of Mormon women's so-called tendency to depression, and instead reflect diverse factors such as age, education, genetics, and access to counseling services and support networks. Like women in other patriarchal religions who have felt happiness and contentment because of their relationship with God and their sense of divine purpose, Mormon women have "found solace, inspiration, nurturance, sustenance, and spiritual growth." from: http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/20...rmon_Women.html |
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| kenny | May 24 2008, 12:41 PM Post #8 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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These aren't Mormons. |
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| apple | May 24 2008, 01:07 PM Post #9 |
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one of the angels
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close |
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| Daniel | May 24 2008, 04:24 PM Post #10 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Close but no cigar. |
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| Mikhailoh | May 24 2008, 09:00 PM Post #11 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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Big Link Wray fans I think. ![]() |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| sue | May 25 2008, 10:31 AM Post #12 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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If I was made to marry some older man who already had 10 or more wives, if I was low on the totem pole and the alpha wife disliked me, if I was forced to live in squalor because I wasn't welcomed to the 'big house', if my kids were shunned and treated differently than their 'siblings' because of the alpha wife's feelings about me, if my monthly cycle was monitored so my husband's visits to my bedroom kept me pregnant, if, and hey, what do you think the chances of this are, I should have a child with a genetic defect, I would be shunned because it was my fault; I obviously was not devoted to god as much as I should be, I was not 'sweet' enough.....I'd be popping more than prozac. |
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| sarah_blueparrot | May 25 2008, 10:33 AM Post #13 |
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Fulla-Carp
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Why on earth would anyone put up with that kind of sh1t? |
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Death is simply a shedding of the physical body like the butterfly shedding its cocoon. It is a transition to a higher state of consciousness where you continue to perceive, to understand, to laugh, and to be able to grow. - Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross | |
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| sue | May 25 2008, 10:33 AM Post #14 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Boggles the mind, doesn't it? |
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| sarah_blueparrot | May 25 2008, 10:35 AM Post #15 |
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Fulla-Carp
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The very thought of it is making my hair stand on end. |
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Death is simply a shedding of the physical body like the butterfly shedding its cocoon. It is a transition to a higher state of consciousness where you continue to perceive, to understand, to laugh, and to be able to grow. - Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross | |
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| Larry | May 25 2008, 10:43 AM Post #16 |
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Mmmmmmm, pie!
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Maybe that's why their hair looks like that.........
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Of the Pokatwat Tribe | |
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| RosemaryTwo | May 25 2008, 11:31 AM Post #17 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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:lol: That's the best explanation for the hair yet, Larry. |
| "Perhaps the thing to do is just to let stupid run its course." Aqua | |
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