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| About Ted and that tumor... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 23 2008, 04:57 PM (417 Views) | |
| Jolly | May 23 2008, 04:57 PM Post #1 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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...an interesting take... http://www.allamericanblogger.com/2858/ted...lized-medicine/ |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| George K | May 23 2008, 05:13 PM Post #2 |
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Interesting speculation, Jolly. How about some facts: Why the Chopper? Edward Kennedy was transported a short distance from his home in Hyannis Port, MA to Cape Cod Hospital after apparently having a seizure, which was initially apparently thought to be a stroke. Cape Cod Hospital has reportedly been named a Top 100 Hospital in five of the last nine years and is also supposedly has the busiest Emergency Department in all of New England. Despite this, Senator Kennedy was then flown from Cape Cod Hospital to Massachusetts General Hospital which is 72.8 miles away. Mass General isn’t even on the Top 100 list.. So when Senator Kennedy was at a Top 100 Hospital … that has neurosurgeons “with the highest level of expertise and training” … … for treatment of a seizure (one of those “obscure” diagnoses that occurs in 6% of the US population at sometime during their lives) … he got flown by helicopter somewhere else. When a “Top 100 Hospital” can’t work up a patient with a seizure, either there is more than meets the eye to Senator Kennedy’s condition, or our healthcare system is in more trouble than I thought. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Or, is it that all that hype about "100 best" is exactly that: hype. |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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| Mikhailoh | May 23 2008, 05:23 PM Post #3 |
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I have had the experience of being a brief inpatient in a Boston area hospital - Framingham, where the heart studies that still guide cardiac care to this day were conducted. I can tell you that, although the facilities were not as posh as some, the care and the doctors I consulted with - six in 24 hours, ER docs to Cardiologists to neurologists - were far better than their counterparts in Cincinnati. Good Samaritan in Cincinnati is always in the Top 100 - and I would dispute that loudly. I have worked with that facility and been an outpatient an I would not send anyone there. Lies, damn lies and statistics. |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| jon-nyc | May 23 2008, 05:31 PM Post #4 |
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What an absurd article, Jolly. You conservatives can come in off the ledge now, Kucinich was thoroughly defeated months ago. |
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| John D'Oh | May 23 2008, 06:16 PM Post #5 |
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Since we're doing odious comparisons with England, I'd like to point out that in England the question would never have arisen. In England he'd have been kicked out of high office in 1969 and never heard from again. |
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| Mikhailoh | May 23 2008, 06:22 PM Post #6 |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Renauda | May 23 2008, 08:59 PM Post #7 |
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Wouldn't have made very far in the *colony* either unless, of course, he was from Quebec. |
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| Daniel | May 24 2008, 03:50 AM Post #8 |
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So there. |
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| Daniel | May 24 2008, 03:52 AM Post #9 |
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Really. |
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| Jolly | May 24 2008, 07:05 AM Post #10 |
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The Top 100 stuff is a beauty contest, and always has been. Yes, there are some hospitals that are better than others, and many have their own quirky personalities. But quality of care depends a lot on what the physician does best and what the institution does best. For instance, old Charity Hopsital in New Orleans was not a place I would have chosen for any elective procedure or a lot of procedures that weren't elective. But Bub, if you were a MVA or a gunshot, haul me to Charity. When you've got ED guys good enough to slice a jugular, run the Y-line down the vein from the blood bag, and tell the nurse to squeeze the bag...and you save that patient...well, color me impressed.... |
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| Jolly | May 24 2008, 07:07 AM Post #11 |
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Synchophant. But how would you label the article as absurd? Is there something factually wrong in the op-piece? |
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| Copper | May 24 2008, 08:19 AM Post #12 |
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Mass General specialties in the US News Top 100 http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/bes....php?id=6140430 Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston 55 Fruit Street Boston, MA 02114 U.S.News Rankings U.S.News Score Reputation #1 Psychiatry 36.1% #2 Endocrinology 86.3 65.2% #3 Orthopedics 68.8 28.6% #4 Respiratory Disorders 61.4 20.1% #4 Geriatrics 60.0 19.7% #4 Digestive Disorders 54.2 25% #4 Neurology and neurosurgery 78.6 35.1% #4 Kidney Disease 95.4 28.2% #5 Heart 47.6 20.4% #7 Rheumatology 21.2% #10 Cancer 36.7 10.4% #11 Urology 37.4 10.6% #14 Gynecology 47.6 8.9% #29 Ear, nose, and throat 25.0 0% Not bad. |
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| bachophile | May 24 2008, 08:27 AM Post #13 |
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give me a break. |
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| bachophile | May 24 2008, 08:34 AM Post #14 |
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by the way, there is considerable evidence that VIP's get over treatment, by virtue of their celeb status, with often detrimental results. the treatment of ariel sharon is a case in point. but with all due respect to cape cod hospital, i imagine that its not such a biggie to think, that arguably the most famous politician in massuchusetts gets sent to the most famous academic hospital in massuchusetts. unless he was in extremis and needed immediate ressucitation, a post seizure patient can easily be safely transported to a tertiary center. |
| "I don't know much about classical music. For years I thought the Goldberg Variations were something Mr. and Mrs. Goldberg did on their wedding night." Woody Allen | |
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| Axtremus | May 24 2008, 08:47 AM Post #15 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Would you please elaborate? |
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| Jolly | May 24 2008, 08:53 AM Post #16 |
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What Bach is saying is that the # of missed diagnosis is miniscule when compared to the total number of patients. The 55 number is the number of patients misdiagnosed or diagnosed late per month, out of around 250K annually (IIRC). The article is long on hyperbole, I admit it. But there is nothing factually incorrect that I can see in the cites. The bottom line is to call attention to treatment differences between systems. |
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| bachophile | May 24 2008, 08:56 AM Post #17 |
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the author made the ludicrous claim that in a socialized health care system, kennedys seizure would be misdiagnosed as high blood pressure. now give me a break. what the hell does the health care system have to do with gross negligence? u mean in the great US of A there is no negligence? or that in 90% of the western world, where medicine is not privatized, doctors are incompetent. what ignorant arrogance. and besides, as to the case in hand, any seizure in an adult mandates ct or mri scanning of the brain as a brain mass is a major cause of adult new onset seizures as opposed to juvenile situations where the differential is much broader and more benign. so i imagine that even in uganda, his tumor would have been diagnosed. |
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| Axtremus | May 24 2008, 09:11 AM Post #18 |
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OK, bachophile, thanks for explaining.
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| jon-nyc | May 24 2008, 09:26 AM Post #19 |
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It did nothing of the kind. |
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| John D'Oh | May 24 2008, 11:06 AM Post #20 |
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MAMIL
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Actually, I think the bottom line was an attempt to make political capital out somebody's serious illness. Senator Kennedy should offer to give the writer a ride home after a couple of drinks. |
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| Renauda | May 24 2008, 08:08 PM Post #21 |
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:lol: That's a keeper John. |
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| George K | May 24 2008, 08:21 PM Post #22 |
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Well, he did have to Fight Back after all that
Fight back after Chappaquiddick. Right. Nuance... |
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A guide to GKSR: Click "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08 Nothing is as effective as homeopathy. I'd rather listen to an hour of Abba than an hour of The Beatles. - Klaus, 4/29/18 | |
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