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Middle Class Homelessness
Topic Started: May 20 2008, 06:09 AM (930 Views)
QuirtEvans
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/0....mom/index.html
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blondie
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I'm glad there are safe places for these women to sleep at night.

I wish others would act to act to help these women more. These ladies need decent jobs.
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Red Rice
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Perhaps she should live somewhere else besides Santa Barbara. With the cost of living there, I'd be homeless too.
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She said that three-quarters of her income went to paying rent in Santa Barbara, where the median house in the scenic, oceanfront city costs more than $1 million. She lost her condo two months ago and had little savings as backup.


It doesn't take a genius to see that she was living beyond her means. 3/4 of her income in rent? No savings to back it up? She needed to be living elsewhere. There are towns outside of Santa Monica where she could have been spending much less for rent with a slightly longer commute. Even now, she could go to other areas where $8.00 an hour and social security can get her at least into an efficiency apartment. She was 67 years old with no savings. She was going to be having this problem within the next five years at any rate. Sorry, don't mean to sound cold, but this was a problem she put herself into.
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Paying 3/4 of your income on your house payment would be bad enough but for rent? That is just plain nuts.
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May 20 2008, 09:15 AM
Perhaps she should live somewhere else besides Santa Barbara. With the cost of living there, I'd be homeless too.

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Why do people that can't take care of themselves almost always have animals with them that put a drain on the little resources they have?

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May 20 2008, 10:11 AM
Why do people that can't take care of themselves almost always have animals with them that put a drain on the little resources they have?

lb

And notice that her daughter was still able to call her ... which meant she has a cellphone.
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May 20 2008, 06:19 AM
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She said that three-quarters of her income went to paying rent in Santa Barbara, where the median house in the scenic, oceanfront city costs more than $1 million. She lost her condo two months ago and had little savings as backup.


It doesn't take a genius to see that she was living beyond her means. 3/4 of her income in rent? No savings to back it up? She needed to be living elsewhere. There are towns outside of Santa Monica where she could have been spending much less for rent with a slightly longer commute. Even now, she could go to other areas where $8.00 an hour and social security can get her at least into an efficiency apartment. She was 67 years old with no savings. She was going to be having this problem within the next five years at any rate. Sorry, don't mean to sound cold, but this was a problem she put herself into.

Hey, guess what. She doesn't try to say anything contrary to that.

And tell me, where in the article do you see evidence of her asking for handouts or for government assistance? Nowhere. According to the article, her family are the only people she asked to help her (not that they did, mind you). And P.S., she's working.

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"My daughter especially is very unhappy. Sometimes she'll cry and she'll call and say, 'Mom, I just can't stand it that you are living in a car,' " Harvey said. "I'll say, 'You know what? This is OK for right now because I'm safe, I'm healthy, the dogs are doing OK and I have a job and things will get better.' "


Get off her case, says I.
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QuirtEvans
May 20 2008, 07:56 AM
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May 20 2008, 10:11 AM
Why do people that can't take care of themselves almost always have animals with them that put a drain on the little resources they have?

lb

And notice that her daughter was still able to call her ... which meant she has a cellphone.

Yeah, it's totally stupid for her to keep her dogs. Her family won't help her and her kids are separated from her, but it's just selfish on her part to keep them for companionship.

And no sense in keeping that cell phone. Way I see it, she should get rid of the phone to save money. No sense talking to family members when you're a worthless bum.

Since it's her fault, she should just kill herself and do us all a favor, huh.
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May 20 2008, 11:44 AM
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May 20 2008, 07:56 AM
lb1
May 20 2008, 10:11 AM
Why do people that can't take care of themselves almost always have animals with them that put a drain on the little resources they have?

lb

And notice that her daughter was still able to call her ... which meant she has a cellphone.

Yeah, it's totally stupid for her to keep her dogs. Her family won't help her and her kids are separated from her, but it's just selfish on her part to keep them for companionship.

And no sense in keeping that cell phone. Way I see it, she should get rid of the phone to save money. No sense talking to family members when you're a worthless bum.

Since it's her fault, she should just kill herself and do us all a favor, huh.

It's bass-ackwards prioritization.

If you are living in your car, with no running water anywhere in sight, what should you spend money on? A cellphone, two dogs, or saving up for a freaking place to live?

I'm willing to bet she goes to Starbucks, or the Quicki-Mart, every morning, too.

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May 20 2008, 08:55 AM

It's bass-ackwards prioritization.

If you are living in your car, with no running water anywhere in sight, what should you spend money on? A cellphone, two dogs, or saving up for a freaking place to live?

I'm willing to bet she goes to Starbucks, or the Quicki-Mart, every morning, too.

First of all, the cell phone thing is ridiculous because how in the hell do you expect her to get a job in the next town over or apply to live in an apartment without a phone. She already doesn't have an address.

My point is, what the hell else do you expect out of this woman. She's working, she's not a felon or drug addict and she's not mooching off the government. She's homeless, she has no health benefits, she's separated from her kids and her family won't help her.

Who in the **** cares if she keeps her dogs.

As for visits to "the Starbucks, or the Quicki-Mart," you have no evidence whatsoever.
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She is 67, has no money and no home. This didn't just happen, it started a long time ago. It was just a matter of time, whether she lost her condo or not, that she would depend on society to support her.

There was no reference to a calamity or disaster in her life that put her in this situation, so I assume she put herself in this predicament.

lb
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May 20 2008, 09:24 AM
AL,

She is 67, has no money and no home. This didn't just happen, it started a long time ago. It was just a matter of time, whether she lost her condo or not, that she would depend on society to support her.

There was no reference to a calamity or disaster in her life that put her in this situation, so I assume she put herself in this predicament.

lb

Like I said before, she does not say anything to the contrary in the article. She wasn't smart with saving, no doubt.

And like I said before, show me where she's asking for society to support her.
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May 20 2008, 09:26 AM
And like I said before, show me where she's asking for society to support her.

It is inevitable. What will happen when she can no longer care for herself?

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May 20 2008, 09:30 AM
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May 20 2008, 09:26 AM
And like I said before, show me where she's asking for society to support her.

It is inevitable. What will happen when she can no longer care for herself?

lb

Mooch off her kids and grandkids. That seems to be the normal routine, right?
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May 20 2008, 11:33 AM
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May 20 2008, 09:30 AM
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May 20 2008, 09:26 AM
And like I said before, show me where she's asking for society to support her.

It is inevitable. What will happen when she can no longer care for herself?

lb

Mooch off her kids and grandkids. That seems to be the normal routine, right?

It's pretty evident that's not going to happen.

Sorry, but when you need to pull in your financial horns, you do so. A wise man once told me if a man worries about the pennies, the dollars will take care of themselves.

This lady does not know how to account for the pennies.
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Plus, she can always start snacking on the dogs, if she gets hungry enough.
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May 20 2008, 09:42 AM

It's pretty evident that's not going to happen.

Sorry, but when you need to pull in your financial horns, you do so. A wise man once told me if a man worries about the pennies, the dollars will take care of themselves.

This lady does not know how to account for the pennies.

Yes yes, we all know that she sucked at financial planning.

What do you expect her to do about it now, aside from keeling over? Working to support herself? That's exactly what she's doing. What's the problem.
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There are hundreds of millions of people on this earth that would love to have to eat the dog turds that this womans companions generate. These people pray for a sheet of cardboard or plastic to sleep under and they scavage for worms, grubs, and even mud somtimes for there meals. I have seen many of these people first hand and from that perspective it is difficult to generate a lot of sympathy for this woman or for most of the claimed poor or deprived in this country.

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May 20 2008, 10:26 AM
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May 20 2008, 09:24 AM
AL,

She is 67, has no money and no home. This didn't just happen, it started a long time ago. It was just a matter of time, whether she lost her condo or not, that she would depend on society to support her.

There was no reference to a calamity or disaster in her life that put her in this situation, so I assume she put herself in this predicament.

lb

Like I said before, she does not say anything to the contrary in the article. She wasn't smart with saving, no doubt.

And like I said before, show me where she's asking for society to support her.

Why is she the poster girl?

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She added, "The way the economy is going, it's just amazing the people that are becoming homeless. It's hit the middle class."


So she was really dumb with money and lost her job -- now she is effectively blaming the economy for her homelessness.
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May 20 2008, 09:47 AM
AL.

There are hundreds of millions of people on this earth that would love to have to eat the dog turds that this womans companions generate. These people pray for a sheet of cardboard or plastic to sleep under and they scavage for worms, grubs, and even mud somtimes for there meals. I have seen many of these people first hand and from that perspective it is difficult to generate a lot of sympathy for this woman or for most of the claimed poor or deprived in this country.

lb

I don't expect you to sympathize with this woman at all. I just don't see what you expect this woman to do. Pointing to her and saying "told ya so" is a waste of time.

And these arguments have nothing to do with anything. The plights of others who have it far worse -- of which there are many -- have nothing to do with her situation.
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May 20 2008, 09:47 AM

Why is she the poster girl?

Oh c'mon, you know the answer to that. She's the poster girl because "she's one of us." They ran this story about her because it's supposed to make us think whether or not we're next. I'm not surprised at all this made the papers.

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So she was really dumb with money and lost her job -- now she is effectively blaming the economy for her homelessness.


Yeah she's effectively blaming the economy for her homelessness. Why is she blaming society, it's not the president's fault. Why is she blaming Bush? That's ridiculous.
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May 20 2008, 09:51 AM
And these arguments have nothing to do with anything. The plights of others who have it far worse -- of which there are many -- have nothing to do with her situation.

Oh, but it does have everything to do with it. This woman and CNN is publicizing her situation and there will be bleeding hearts who will shell out money for either her or her cause and this money could have been used for a lot better causes.

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May 20 2008, 09:59 AM
Oh, but it does have everything to do with it. This woman and CNN is publicizing her situation and there will be bleeding hearts who will shell out money for either her or her cause and this money could have been used for a lot better causes.

lb

Can you not see the fallacy in what you're saying? Assuming that even happens, you're going to be pissed at this woman because other people didn't donate to what you see as a more worthy cause?

If you're going to boil everything down to a comparison between starving children in Africa then why would you care about anything that happens in this country.
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