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| Tweet Topic Started: May 19 2008, 06:10 AM (577 Views) | |
| Jolly | May 19 2008, 06:10 AM Post #1 |
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Geaux Tigers!
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Some of y'all don't think the price of gas is high enough...if so, I have rousing good news for you: Due to new government safety mandates for offshore rigs in the post-Katrina era, all rigs must now have a new type of anchoring system. The rigs already in the Gulf are being retrofitted, but the vast majority do not have the new system in place. Therefore, in the event of a hurricane in the Gulf (we do have those, from time-to-time, you know) those rigs not retro-fited must be shut down and evacuated. Give it a couple of months....$5/gal gasoline and $6/diesel may be in your future... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Aqua Letifer | May 19 2008, 06:11 AM Post #2 |
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Hopefully this whole mess will increase public transportation infrastructure. And as always, it'd be coming a little late. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| Jolly | May 19 2008, 06:14 AM Post #3 |
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My understanding is that light rail is seeing a boom already... |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Aqua Letifer | May 19 2008, 06:18 AM Post #4 |
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Around here they're expanding it, but our city's metro is a mess. We have two states and one district, each expecting the other two to pay for the infrastructure. Because of this and other crap, it's more expensive than driving. Amtrac isn't much better. Instead of driving, I'd take a train up north if it didn't cost so damn much. Those prices aren't going down, but since gas is going up so high I might end up changing my mind anyway. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| Axtremus | May 19 2008, 06:27 AM Post #5 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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As a nation, our culture, economy, and industrial infrastructures are all structured in ways that are highly dependent on oil -- more so than the rest of the industrialized world. It's going to be a hard transition. |
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| big al | May 19 2008, 06:41 AM Post #6 |
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Bull-Carp
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That's exactly right, Ax. Once houses, offices, hopping centers, and factories are built (as they are now) in widely scattered locations only easily accessible by automobile, the costs to modify that arrangement as simply enormous. Change will come, as it did when the automobile and the paved road were invented, but it will be slow and, at times, painful for those who have invested in the status quo. Big Al |
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Location: Western PA "jesu, der simcha fun der man's farlangen." -bachophile | |
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| Mikhailoh | May 19 2008, 06:47 AM Post #7 |
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If you want trouble, find yourself a redhead
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We should be drilling and uncapping these unused wells rather than regulating them out of existence. Could the oil companies be waiting for even higher prices? |
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Once in his life, every man is entitled to fall madly in love with a gorgeous redhead - Lucille Ball | |
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| Aqua Letifer | May 19 2008, 06:50 AM Post #8 |
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Yessir, no reason at all why we don't untap those reserves. No reason at all. Damn hippies. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| jon-nyc | May 19 2008, 07:04 AM Post #9 |
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Cheers
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I'll pay a little more for energy for the safety of those workers. |
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| Jolly | May 19 2008, 07:34 AM Post #10 |
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You already pay, and it's not a safe job. Safer than it used to be...I haven't heard of anybody around the house dying in the last few years, although I can tick off a half-dozen guys that I knew that have perished on the rigs over the years. Yes, drilling has changed, but there is no such thing as an absolutely safe rig...even today. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Aqua Letifer | May 19 2008, 07:36 AM Post #11 |
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Acknowledging that's no reason to keep from improving safety regs. |
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| Jolly | May 19 2008, 07:38 AM Post #12 |
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And they do...but from a business standpoint, what price safety? There are some jobs which are inherently unsafe. Try unloading drill stem in 4-foot seas, and see if you don't experience the pucker effect. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| Aqua Letifer | May 19 2008, 07:44 AM Post #13 |
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IMNSHO, if you're the owner of such a facility, and you have the means to make a job like that safer, you have the responsibility. OSHA seems to agree, so I trust that they're doing their job down there. Sure it'll cost more, but if the owners didn't want to pay so much for safety standards then it would probably be best to change industries. They knew the costs going into it, just as the workers knew the risks. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| Jolly | May 19 2008, 07:51 AM Post #14 |
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This is Thunderhorse: http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?catego...ntentId=7009088 Over a billion bucks to build, and when she comes on line, she'll put out $32,000,000 worth of oil/day (not counting natural gas). When the Golden Gate bridge was built, the yardstick used was "a man a million". We're a lot safer today, but when you're kicking around these kinds of numbers, there is a lot of pressure to keep a rig drilling. |
| The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.- George Soros | |
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| QuirtEvans | May 19 2008, 08:01 AM Post #15 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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That's always the question. And frequently the silly answer is that no price is too high. Take life rafts on airplanes (and redundant life preservers). How much does it cost to outfit every plane in the world with them, and then to inspect them and replace them every so often? Don't forget to add in the extra airplane fuel used to cart those things around. Compare that to the number of lives that have been saved by rafts and life preservers. The cost per life is astronomical. Then imagine the number of lives the same amount of money could have saved if devoted to medical research, or better treatment facilities, or preventative care, or something. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| lb1 | May 19 2008, 08:16 AM Post #16 |
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All they have to do is move the rig to Iowa and they wouldn't have to deal with the wave problem. Safety First. lb |
| My position is simple: you jumped to an unwarranted conclusion and slung mud on an issue where none was deserved. Quirt 03/08/09 | |
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| Aqua Letifer | May 19 2008, 08:33 AM Post #17 |
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Yeah, but that's just silly. It'd be more cost efficient, and probably save more lives, if you designed planes that didn't crash as often. |
| I cite irreconcilable differences. | |
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| QuirtEvans | May 19 2008, 09:28 AM Post #18 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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How often do you think airplanes crash? Commercial jetliners, I mean? And how much do you think it would cost to engineer them to crash less? Unless you were being deliberately absurd, that statement came across as hopelessly stupid. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| Aqua Letifer | May 19 2008, 09:34 AM Post #19 |
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Quirt you should really stop letting people crap in your oatmeal. My point was that instead of throwing money at a contingency that's very remote, and what's more, has a very small survival rate even when it does happen, it'd make much more sense to have a good R&D department that incorporates flight safety into their designs. Then, when it comes time for an upgrade, you save about the same number of lives with a process you take part in anyway, instead of providing for scenarios that offer little hope for survival. |
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| sarah_blueparrot | May 19 2008, 09:59 AM Post #20 |
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Sorry. Really.The first time I flew I turned to my mum and asked, "So where are the parachutes?" She told me there weren't any, and I barely believed her. I was convinced I was going to a cold and quick death. I still think the same during every turbulence, and constantly think about the best position for landing on the hard earth after falling for thousands of feet. I've heard about people surviving those kinds of falls, and I'm determined to be one of them. edit: Obviously this isn't my aim in |
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Death is simply a shedding of the physical body like the butterfly shedding its cocoon. It is a transition to a higher state of consciousness where you continue to perceive, to understand, to laugh, and to be able to grow. - Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross | |
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| Luke's Dad | May 19 2008, 10:09 AM Post #21 |
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Emperor Pengin
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Just jump up in the air right before the plane hits.
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| sarah_blueparrot | May 19 2008, 10:13 AM Post #22 |
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Well, anything than the dreaded BReakyourneckACE position... |
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Death is simply a shedding of the physical body like the butterfly shedding its cocoon. It is a transition to a higher state of consciousness where you continue to perceive, to understand, to laugh, and to be able to grow. - Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross | |
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| QuirtEvans | May 19 2008, 02:02 PM Post #23 |
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I Owe It All To John D'Oh
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And my point was that, given the ultra-low incidence of crashes of commercial airliners, money spent engineering them to be safer is unlikely to get much of a bang for the buck. You started from a good premise, but veered off into the wrong conclusion. |
| It would be unwise to underestimate what large groups of ill-informed people acting together can achieve. -- John D'Oh, January 14, 2010. | |
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| jon-nyc | May 19 2008, 02:16 PM Post #24 |
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Cheers
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Life rafts in airliners is a cruel, expensive joke, especially on the big jets. |
| In my defense, I was left unsupervised. | |
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| dolmansaxlil | May 19 2008, 03:31 PM Post #25 |
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HOLY CARP!!!
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Wait. There are life rafts on airplanes? Are you kidding me? Let's say that whatever mechanical failure that caused your plane to come crashing down into the drink didn't cause the plane to explode on impact. Let's add to that the possibility that a group of people survive the impact of the water, manage to escape the plane, and get to open water. Is the bloody life raft going to jump out of the aircraft for them? And even if it does, I'm assuming it's inflatable. Cause you know, heaps of scrap metal being ripped from an airplane on impact isn't going to puncture it or anything. Sheesh. |
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